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O Hai.

I've recently unearthed my Pokemon games after World of Warcraft was getting old-ish.
So, I'd like to complete D/P Battle Tower
But the reason I'm asking for my team to be rated here is because I have a cheat cartridge and would like my legit cheat team to be rated.
Here we go.
{hariyama} Guts - Calm Nature
Earthquake
Surf
Brick Break
Rock Tomb

{grumpig} Own Tempo - Impish Nature
Reflect
Psychic
Calm Mind
Shock Wave

Sandy the {sandslash} Sand Veil - Hasty Nature
Iron Tail
Earthquake
Brick Break
Aerial Ace

{ludicolo} Rain Dish - Careful Nature
Surf
Ice Beam
Giga Drain
Brick Break

{torkoal} White Smoke - Lax Nature
Heat Wave
Sunny Day
Toxic
Protect

{altaria} Natural Cure - Naughty Nature
Fly
Dragonbreath
Sing
Flamethrower

Im considering replacing Ludicolo with a Toxi-Trapper {cradily}
Im also considering replacing my entire team with Pokemon from XD like so:
Torkoal > Magmortar
Grumpig > Alakazam/Electivire
Sandslash > Marowak
Hariyama > Primape
Ludicolo > Cradily
Altaria > Articuno/Froslass/Cradily

Im clueless what to do, but ill make my team up best I can until my team is rated.
Thanks,
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{gardevoir}
psycic
calm mind
future sight(its saved my butt more than once against steven)
double team

{blaziken}
fire punch
double kick(like future sight,that second kick is deadly)
sky uppercut(must have for me)
mirror move(thinking of getting rid of)

{rayquaza}
dragon dance
outrage(best dragon move i knnow of,correct me if im rong)
fly(i use it mostly out of battle)
dragon claw

{shiftry}
growth
giga drain
aerial ace
swords dance(i was thinking bulk up if he can learn it)


{glalie}
ice beam
crunch
earthquake
spikes



and,i cant decide between:

{charizard} (i probably dont need two fire types)
flamethrower
dragonclaw
fly
(i cant find a move)

or {aggron} (i prefer him because of his type)
earthquake
iron tail
double edge
dragon claw

Please rate my hopefully decent team.:K

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Sapphire is my only GBA game so I'm restricted a bit. Natures and EVs are something new to me so I would appreciate some help, with items too.

{metagross} [Item/Nature/EV]?
~Agility
~Meteor Mash
~Psychic
~Shadow Ball

{salamence} [Item/Nature/EV]?
~Dragon Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Earthquake
~Return

{milotic} [Item/Nature]?
EV: 252 Defense, 252 HP, 4 SD
~Attract
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Double Team

{gardevoir} – Synchronize [Item/Nature]?
EV: 252 HP, 252 Defense, 4 Speed
~Calm Mind
~Will-O-Wisp
~Psychic
~Thunderbolt

--One or the other--

{claydol} [Item/Nature]?
EV: 252 HP, 152 Defense, 104 SD
~Cosmic Power
~Explosion
~Toxic
~Rest

{dusclops} [Item/Nature]?
EV: 252 HP, 128 Defense, 128 SD
~Mean Look
~Curse
~Toxic
~Rest

--Will take suggestions as who would be better in last spot--

{tropius} [Item/Nature/]?
EV: 252 SA, 128 Defense, 128 SD
~Sunny Day
~Solarbeam
~Synthesis
~Hidden Power (Fire)


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im training a skarmory like this in emerald:

{skarmory}/@ leftovers
Adamant/sturdy
EV's: 252 Defense; 252 Attack; 6 Special Defense
- Rock slide
- Spikes
- Steel wing
- Drill peck/ Sky attack

but im still new at specializing Pokemon so...
can you help me decide wich move should i use? drill peck or sky attack?
and if you can give me your oppinion about the overall pokemon

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Skarmory has base 140 def, so use him as a wall. (Impish 252 Hp 184 Def 12 Spd 60 Att, Drill peck / Spikes / Rest / Roar.

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im making a better team i only have blaziken completed and starting on salamence, but i breed the other 3 just need suggestions before i train em.
-i have at least 1 of each tm+how do i get more, i could easily get the ones from casino and the frontier moves

........following 3 stays on team

{blaziken}hardy @ leftovers <mix sweep>
EVs:128att, 128sp.att, 232spd
sky uppercut
flamethrower
thunderpunch
rockthrow/bodyslam???

{milotic}modest @ leftovers <semi spec sweep/tank>
EVs:???
surf
icebeam
d-breath
recover

{gardevoir}modest @ shell bell <spec sweep>
Evs:???
psychic
t-bolt
will-o-wisp
calmmind

i like these two but aggrons 4x weakness to fight and ground does get annoying so not sure if i should keep

{salamence}adamant @ shellbell <physical sweep>
EVs:4hp, 252att, 252spd
EQ
Dclaw/Dbreath????-paralyze or no
rockslide
Ddance

{aggron} adamant @ quick claw <physical sweep/tank>
EVs:120hp, 148att, 40def, 200sp.def (not to sure about this)
irontail/metal claw??
doubleedge
t-punch
rockslide

dont know about who i should take for last spots plz suggest who i should use,movesets, possibly EVs spread
these were all on my mind {slaking} {dusclops} {metagross} {ludicolo} no legends

and of all these who you do recomend for battle tower.trouble with 28+ i have beat brain but lost going up the next time, i did with old non EV trained pokes with weaker movepools so suggegstion are appreciated. thank you.

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shininglegends wrote:
im making a better team i only have blaziken so far, but i breed the rest just need suggestions before i train em.
-i have at least 1 of each tm[how do i get more (Ex:EQ, A-ace)i could easily get the ones from casino and frontier moves You could easily clone them.

........following 3 stays on team

{blaziken}hardy @ leftovers <mix sweep>
EVs:136att, 136sp.att, 255spd
sky uppercut
flamethrower
thunderpunch
rockthrow/bodyslam???

{blaziken} Rash @ Leftovers
EVs: 176 atk, 192 spd, 140 sa
-Sky Uppercut
-Rock Slide
-HP Ghost
-Fire Blast/Flamethrower (whatever you prefer)


{milotic}modest @ leftovers <dono good EVs to keep as semi-spec sweep/tank>
EVs:???
surf
icebeam
d-breath
recover

{milotic} Modest @ Leftovers
EVs: 212 HP, 140 Def, 20 Spd, 136 SA
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-Recover
-Mirror Coat


{gardevoir}modest @ leftovers <spec sweep-no idea for EVs>
Evs:???
psychic
t-bolt
will-o-wisp
calmmind

{gardevoir} Modest @ Leftovers
EVs: 172 HP, 120 Def, 40 Spd, 152 SA, 24 SD
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-Thunderbolt
-Will-o-Wisp/Wish

....not sure which of the following i should use cuz of 4X weaknesses , prob gona stay with sala though, but not sure with aggron
Go with Salamence; Aggron sucks.

{salamence}adamant @ shellbell <physical sweep>
EVs:6hp, 252att, 252spd
EQ
Dclaw/Dbreath????-paralyze or no
rockslide
Ddance Bleh.

{salamence} Adamant @ Liechi Berry
EVs: 20 HP, 252 Atk, 48 Def, 148 Spd, 48 SD
-Dragon Dance
-Earthquake
-Rock Slide
-HP Flying/Aerial Ace


{aggron} adamant @ quick claw <physical sweep/tank>
EVs:122hp, 148att, 40def, 200sp.def???n (not to sure about this)
irontail/metal claw??
doubleedge
t-punch
rockslide

dont know about who i should take for last spors plz suggest who i should use,movesets, possibly EVs
these were all on my mind {slaking} {dusclops} {metagross} {ludicolo} no legends

You definitely need a Dusclops in there.

{dusclops} Careful @ Leftovers
EVs: 252 HP, 72 Def, 186 SD
-Mean Look
-Curse
-Will-o-Wisp
-Rest

You could DEFINITELY use a Blissey.

{blissey} Calm @ Leftovers
EVs: 20 HP, 248 Def, 184 SA, 56 SD
-Aromatherapy
-Ice Beam/Thunderwave
-Seismic Toss
-Softboiled


and of all these who you do recomend for battle tower.trouble with 28+ i have beat brain but lost going up next the time, i did with old non EV trained pokes with weaker movepools so suggegstion are appreciated. thank you.=/


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hey FrozenVirus, the TM 26 EarthQuake is in the Seafloor Cavern (on Rt. 128) After Moving the boulders arranged like a Smile, the TM is in the next room

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Hi.
This is the first team I make with EV training and breeding for good IV's and such things.

Before you answer:
I don't understand EQ, DD and so on. So please don't write that.

{gardevoir} Modest @ Shell Bell/Leftovers (this is my Sp. Sweeper)
6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Spd
(Raters can write the best abillity for it here)
- Calm Mind
- Will-O-Wisp
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt


{salamence} Adamant @ Shell Bell/Leftovers (this is my Physical Sweeper)
6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Spd
Intimidate
- Dragon Dance
- Aerial Ace
- Steelwing
- Earthquake


{steelix} Impish @ Shell Bell/Leftovers (My Physical Sponge)
252 HP, 252 Defence, 6 Attack
Sturdy
- Screech
- Harden
- Sandstorm
- Double-Edge


{blissey} Gentle @ Leftovers/Shell Bell (My Sp. Sponge)
6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Defence
Natural Cure
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy
- Eggbomb
- Flamethrower


{umbreon} Careful @ Leftovers/Shell Bell (Toxic Trapper)
252 HP, 129 Defence, 129 Sp. Defence
Synchronize
- Mean Look
- Wish
- Toxic
- Attrackt/Batton Pass


{kingdra} Modest @ Leftovers (This one is just here because I love Kingdra)
129 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 129 Defence
Swift Swim
- Rest
- Rain Dance/Hail
- Toxic/Surf
- Ice Beam/Blizzard

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Morganor wrote:
Hi.
This is the first team I make with EV training and breeding for good IV's and such things.

Before you answer:
I don't understand EQ, DD and so on. So please don't write that.
{gardevoir} Modest @ Shell Bell/Leftovers (this is my Sp. Sweeper)
6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Spd
(Raters can write the best abillity for it here) Synchronize
- Calm Mind
- Will-O-Wisp
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

Good, as far as I can see.


{salamence} Adamant @ Shell Bell/Leftovers (this is my Physical Sweeper)
6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Spd
Intimidate
- Dragon Dance
- Aerial Ace
- Steelwing
- Earthquake

Put Rock Slide/Brick Break for Steel Wing.

{steelix} Impish @ Shell Bell/Leftovers (My Physical Sponge)
252 HP, 252 Defence, 6 Attack
Sturdy
- Screech
- Harden
- Sandstorm
- Double-Edge
Go with leftovers. Earthquake/Rock Slide over Double Edge.

{blissey} Gentle @ Leftovers/Shell Bell (My Sp. Sponge)
6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Defence
Natural Cure
- Softboiled
- Aromatherapy
- Eggbomb
- Flamethrower

Why EVs in attack? You don't even have any moves that are physical. Go with this EV spread: 148 HP, 252 Def, and 108 SD. Thunderwave or Ice Beam over Flamethrower, but that's your choice.

{umbreon} Careful @ Leftovers/Shell Bell (Toxic Trapper)
252 HP, 129 Defence, 129 Sp. Defence
Synchronize
- Mean Look
- Wish
- Toxic
- Attrackt/Batton Pass
Go with Baton Pass, and you're all set.

{kingdra} Modest @ Leftovers (This one is just here because I love Kingdra)
129 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 129 Defence
Swift Swim
- Rest
- Rain Dance/Hail
- Toxic/Surf
- Ice Beam/Blizzard
Rain Dance over Hail. Surf over Toxic, and Substitute over Rest.


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mega horn
to bad i dont have access to a blissey
i do have all the 200 main hoen pokes and the 20+ GSC pokes from emerald
so whats a good alternative

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shininglegends wrote:
mega horn
to bad i dont have access to a blissey
i do have all the 200 main hoen pokes and the 20+ GSC pokes from emerald
so whats a good alternative
mega horn
to bad i dont have access to a blissey
i do have all the 200 main hoen pokes and the 20+ GSC pokes from emerald
so whats a good alternative


Why not...:
{dusclops}@leftovers
Pressure | Sassy (-Spd +Sp.Def) | 252Hp, 62Def, 196Sp.Def
Pain Split (this is a must!)
W-o-W (this stands for Will o' Wisp and yeah, it's a MUST as well)
Calm Mind (W-oW boosts your def, so what else to do but boost your Sp.Def too right?)
Shadow Punch (ignores evasion and gives STAB, what more could you ask for)

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Heh, even though I am a rater I need 3 Pokemon I am using for the Battle Frontier rated.

{metagross} @Lum Berry
Docile-Clear Body
~Shadow Ball
~Earthquake
~Meteor Mash
~Agility

{salamence} @Shell Bell
Jolly-Intimidate
~Dragon Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Earthquake
~Brick Break

{blaziken} @Leftovers
Docile-Blaze
~Flamethrower
~Thunder Punch
~Sky Uppercut
~Earthquake

Other Pokemon I use


{swampert} @Chesto Berry
Relaxed-Torrent
~Earthquake
~Brick Break
~Rest
~Rock Tomb


{machamp} @Sitrus Berry
Serious-Guts
~Facade
~Cross Chop
~Earthquake
~Bulk Up


{latios} @Lum Berry
Relaxed-Levitate
~Dragon Claw
~Surf
~Psychic
~Thunder Bolt

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*I posted earlier, but I made some adjustments. There are a few teams a couple of posts back that still have not been rated.

Sapphire is my only GBA game so I'm restricted a bit. (If I get other games, the preferred move is in parentheses.) Natures and EVs are something new to me so I would appreciate some help, with items too.

{metagross}
Item:
Nature: -SA
EV: 252 HP/SD, 4 Defense
~Agility
~Meteor Mash
~Earthquake
~Shadow Ball (Explosion)

{salamence}
Item:
Nature: -SA
EV: 200 SD/Defense, 108 HP
~Dragon Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Brick Break (Earthquake)
~Return (Rock Slide)

{milotic}
Item:
Nature: -Attack
EV: 252 Defense/HP, 4 SD
~Attract
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Double Team

{gardevoir} – Synchronize
Item:
Nature: -Attack
EV: 252 HP/Defense, 4 Speed
~Calm Mind
~Will-O-Wisp
~Psychic
~Thunderbolt

--One or the other--

{claydol}
Item:
Nature: +Defense
EV: 252 HP, 152 Defense, 104 SD
~Cosmic Power
~Explosion
~Toxic
~Rest

{dusclops}
Item:
Nature: +Defense/SD
EV: 252 HP, 128 Defense/128 SD
~Mean Look
~Curse
~Toxic
~Rest

--Will take suggestions as who would be better in last spot--

{tropius}
Item:
Nature: -Attack
EV: 252 SA, 128 Defense/128 SD
~Sunny Day
~Solarbeam
~Synthesis
~Hidden Power [Fire]


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Tyraninator wrote:
*I posted earlier, but I made some adjustments. There are a few teams a couple of posts back that still have not been rated.

Sapphire is my only GBA game so I'm restricted a bit. (If I get other games, the preferred move is in parentheses.) Natures and EVs are something new to me so I would appreciate some help, with items too.

{metagross}
Item:
Nature: -SA
EV: 252 HP/SD, 4 Defense
~Agility
~Meteor Mash
~Earthquake
~Shadow Ball (Explosion)

Well for the item you could use Lum Berry the moveset seems fine. You could use Agility with explosion to take out foes when you need it the most. Or you could keep Shadow Ball your choice.

{salamence}
Item:
Nature: -SA
EV: 200 SD/Defense, 108 HP
~Dragon Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Brick Break (Earthquake)
~Return (Rock Slide)

Your item should bell Shell Bell or Lum Berry your choice. I prefer Earthquake and Brick Break for the last 2 spots as both moves have more type coverage.

{milotic}
Item:
Nature: -Attack
EV: 252 Defense/HP, 4 SD
~Attract
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Double Team

You could put Leftovers for the item and since you are using Double Team Toxic would be a better choice rather than Attract

{gardevoir} – Synchronize
Item:
Nature: -Attack
EV: 252 HP/Defense, 4 Speed
~Calm Mind
~Will-O-Wisp
~Psychic
~Thunderbolt

Because you aren't playing Emerald you don't have access to Fire and Ice Punch so this is fine.

--One or the other--

{claydol}
Item:
Nature: +Defense
EV: 252 HP, 152 Defense, 104 SD
~Cosmic Power
~Explosion
~Toxic
~Rest

Good set here I guess. Leftovers for the item.

{dusclops}
Item:
Nature: +Defense/SD
EV: 252 HP, 128 Defense/128 SD
~Mean Look
~Curse
~Toxic
~Rest

Interesting set here. Use Chesto Berry as an item.

--Will take suggestions as who would be better in last spot--

{tropius}
Item:
Nature: -Attack
EV: 252 SA, 128 Defense/128 SD
~Sunny Day
~Solarbeam
~Synthesis
~Hidden Power [Fire]

I would use Dusclops for the last spot. If you do ues this though for item it should be Brightpowder.

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Hi.

I am about to make a team I haven't thought about the rest of the Pokémons, but here are what I have so far.

{umbreon} Modest | Leftovers / Shell Bell
6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Spd
Syncronize
- Mean Look
- Toxic
- Wish
- Batton Pass


I don't know if I should use this one:

{espeon} Timid/Modest | Leftovers / Shell Bell
6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Spd
Syncronize
- Calm Mind
- Double Team
- Baton Pass
- Psychic

Or this one:

{gardevoir} Modest | Leftovers / Shell Bell
6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Spd
Syncronize
- Calm Mind
- Will-O-Wisp
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt

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Bound to Sapphire... Sorry.
I'll probably make lots of changes soon.


{ninjask} @ Leftovers
Jolly | Speed Boost
4HP, 252Atk, 252Spd
Substitute
Swords Dance
Aerial Ace/Agility
Baton Pass


Only problem with Agility is that, one on one he can't do anything.


{skarmory} @ Chesto Berry
Impish | Sturdy
129HP, 129Spd, 252 SDef
Toxic/Aerial Ace
Spikes
Roar
Rest


Having trouble deciding between the two, Toxic just seemed more interesting.


{heracross} @ Salac Berry
Adamant | Swarm
16HP, 252Atk, 240Spd
Substitute
Endure
Reversal
Megahorn


I was thinking Baton Pass to him, which is why i put substitute over Swords Dance.


{dusclops} @ Leftovers/Chesto Berry
Careful | Pressure
252HP, 72Def, 184SDef
Mean Look
Curse
Will-O-Wisp
Rest


Very standard ><... Just wondering about the Item.


{manectric} @ ???
Modest | Static
252Spd, 252SAtk, 6HP
Crunch
Thunder Wave
Thunderbolt
???/Attract/Double-Team


Did not like the standard moveset for this one at all. Tried making it an annoyer, forgot what else to put
there.


{altaria} @ Salac/Chest Berry
Modest | Natural Cure
52HP, 184Spd, 252SAtk, 20SDef
Dragon Claw
Fire Blast
Haze
Rest


Never used Altaria before, figured i should give her a shot.




1. Baton Passer, to Heracross.
2. Spiker, possible Toxic caster, but probably not.
3. Physical Sweeper with STAB.
4. Trap and kill.
5. Annoyer, I always hated playing them lmao, and possible Speacial Sweeper with STAB.
6. Specail Sweeper/Hazer With STAB.


Now that I look at it I see one MAJOR problem with my team.
4 are bug or flying. AGH! I really dont know what to do about that lol, will I be okay?


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Pokemaniac wrote:
Heh, even though I am a rater I need 3 Pokemon I am using for the Battle Frontier rated.

{metagross}@Lum Berry
Docile-Clear Body
~Shadow Ball
~Earthquake
~Meteor Mash
~Agility

Why Docile? All of your movesets are physical so if you can, change your nature to Adamant. Shadow Ball is good but i prefer Explosion/Rock Slide. Explosion is your last act as a trainer (kinda like shouting "FOR SPARTA!!!") while Rock Slide is for pesky flying-type pokemon like Zapdos/Skarmory. Oh and you may also want to change it's Lum Berry for Leftovers.

{salamence}@Shell Bell
Jolly-Intimidate
~Dragon Dance
~Aerial Ace
~Earthquake
~Brick Break

Everything looks good here, though you may want to change it's nature to Adamant as well since you are using DD but Jolly also works.

{blaziken}@Leftovers
Docile-Blaze
~Flamethrower
~Thunder Punch
~Sky Uppercut
~Earthquake

IMO Sky Uppercut has poor accuracy. You may want to change it for Brick Break.

Other Pokemon I use


{swampert}@Chesto Berry
Relaxed-Torrent
~Earthquake
~Brick Break
~Rest
~Rock Tomb

Why Rock Tomb? Swampert is slow to begin with. Why not teaching it Curse instead of Rock Tomb.

{machamp}@Sitrus Berry
Serious-Guts
~Facade
~Cross Chop
~Earthquake
~Bulk Up

I love your idea of Guts + Facade! That combo never entered my mind! Good job!

{latios}@Lum Berry
Relaxed-Levitate
~Dragon Claw
~Surf
~Psychic
~Thunder Bolt

Looks good here!

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Yeah, I know where EQ is.
I just wasted it on my Aggron.

xD

And could someone PLEASE rate my team?

It's been here for more than a month now without answer.


Fri Aug 08, 2008 9:41 am
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I was thinking of going for competitive but I'm not sure...
Sally's moveset is pretty crappy, but that's beacuse I can't get the right moves for it.
I'm also looking for better hold items...(Yes I know Choice Band is always out there)

Mixed Sweeper
{salamence} (M)
Chaos @ Leftovers
Lonely (+ Atk / - Def )
Intimidate
6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spd

Double Edge / Rock Slide (If I can get the Battle Points)
Dragon Claw (This is a SAtk so I'm not sure about it)
Flamethrower
Fly / Earthquake ((If I can get the TM)

Choose either of the two pls:
CB-Mense
{salamence}@Choice Band
Adamant/Jolly| Intimidate | 252Atk, 252Spe, 6Hp
EQ
Rock Slide
Aerial Ace
Brick Break

DD-Mense
{salamence}@leftovers
Adamant | Intimidate | 252Atk, 116Hp, 140Spe
Dragon Dance
Hiden Power Flying
EQ
Rock Slide


Special Sweeper / Special Wall
{gardevoir} (M)
Melodie @ Leftovers
Modest (+ SAtk / - Atk )
Synchronize
84 HP / 252 SAtk / 172 Spd

Hypnosis
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Calm Mind

Timid is better coz of her base 80Spe. Max out her Spe EVs so she can move faster.

Physical Sweeper
{heracross} (M)
Punchbuggy @ Focus Band
Adamant (+ Atk / - SAtk)
Guts
252 Atk / 52 Def / 200 Spd

Rock Slide / Reversal
Megahorn
Brick Break
Protect / Earthquake (If I can get the TM)

This sould do:
{heracross}@choice band
Jolly | Guts | 252Atk, 252Spe, 6Hp
Rock Slide
Megahorn
Brick Break
EQ

IMO Jolly is better coz of his base 85Spe. Merging that with Choice Band and you have power + speed. Watch out for {salamence}@CB.


Pyroshuffler / Staller / PHazer
{ninetales} (F)
MysticFire @ Leftovers
Timid (+ Spd / - Atk)
Flash Fire
138 Def / 228 SAtk / 148 Spd

Roar
Will-‘o-Wisp
Flamethrower
Confuse Ray / Protect

Since you have W-o-W, you should go with Protect over Confuse Ray. And you might want to transfer your Def EVs to Hp instead.

Staller / Trapper / Mixed Wall
{dusclops} (M)
Phantom @ Leftovers
Bold (+ Def / - Atk ) / Calm (+ SDef / - Atk )
Pressure
252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SDef

Mean Look
Confuse Ray / Curse / Rest
Will-‘o-Wisp
Seismic Toss / Night Shade

How bout this:
{dusclops}@leftovers
Calm | Pressure | 252Hp, 132Def, 126SpD
Pain Split
W-o-W
Seismic Toss
Shadow Ball/Shadow Punch


Special Wall
{milotic} (F)
Krystal @ Leftovers
Bold (+ Def / - Atk )
Marvel Scale
92 HP / 200 Def / 108 SAtk / 108 SDef

Surf
Ice Beam
Toxic
Recover

Toxic is bad. Light Screen if you want it to be harder to take down or you could go with my personal favorite move for this pokemon, Mirror Coat. MC takes care of {zapdos}, {raikou}, {jolteon}, {starmie} and of course {lanturn}.

[Instead of Gardevoir, I might be using the all so OU Starmie set (Help me decide which PKMN I should choose!)]

Special Sweeper
{starmie}
Ruby @ Salac Berry / Leftovers
Modest (+ SAtk / - Atk )
Natural Cure
6 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd

Surf
Ice Beam
Psychic / Recover (Psychic doesn't have much coverage)
Thunderbolt

Leftovers over Salac Berry. Psychic over Recover for two things:
1) Dark-type is the only type that is immune to it
2) Steel- and Psychic-type are the only types that are resistant to it
3) that leaves you with 14 more types to hit!
Oh and another thing... replace immediately your {gardevoir} with your {starmie} for two reasons:
1) it's faster
2) it's more versatile


[I was also considering replacing one of the Walls/Stallers with a Cleric; I can't get my hands on Blissey so this will have to do]

Cleric
{miltank} (F)
Madeline @ Leftovers
Jolly (+ Spd / - SAtk ) / Impish (+ Def / - SAtk)
Thick Fat
212 HP / 96 Atk / 86 Def / 96 SDef / 20 Spd

Heal Bell
Milk Drink
Thunder Wave / Counter
Return / Body Slam

I don't recomend you using this pokemon because it's easily taken down. Brick Break is common these days especially in the hands of {salamence} and {heracross} and both of these pokemon run with Choice Band. So I'd say that {miltank} is definitely out.

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I have tried to make some teams with Pokémons that were offensive only and defensive only. But the offensive ones were killed too fast and the defensive ones were too weak to kill the opponent before he/she killed me.
So now I will try to make a team with Pokémons that are BOTH defensive and offensive.


{blissey} Calm | Leftovers
Natural Cure
252 HP, 252 Sp. Defence, 6 Defence
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Counter
- Ice Beam

Blissey was not easy.
I made it a Sp. Sponge because it's HP and Sp. Defence stats are so good. It's also a Heal Beller (or Aromatherapier :lol:).
I use Counter because Blissey doesn't need high Attack stat. Counter does 2x damage taken no matter how high (or low) my stat is. The only problem here is that Blissey's Defence stat sucks. I know that I can place som EV's in Defence, but I don't want to waste them. The highest Defence for Blissey is (with the right Nature and 252 EV's) 130... Which still sucks.
***

{aggron} Impish | Leftovers
Sturdy
108 HP, 148 Defence, 252 Attack
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Defence
- Rock Slide
- Iron Tail / Earthquake

Aggron is a VERY strong Pokémon in the Defence stat. And it's Attack stat isn't too bad.
So it will be my Physical Sweeper AND my Physical Sponge.
Thunder Wave is to make my opponent unable to hit me, and Iron Defence is to protect me against the damage he/she is able to though he/she is Paralyzed.
***

{absol} Timid | Leftovers
Pressure
252 Sp Defence, 252 Defence, 6 Speed
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Perrish Song
- Duoble Team

Absol is weak... But it is also the only Pokémon I can think of that is able to learn Mean Look, Baton Pass and Perrish Song.
Because he can learn these moves he is going to be my Perrish Singer/Songer. I don't know what to put in the last slot so I just placed Double Team so that my opponent can't hit me and reduce my not too high HP.
***

{cloyster} Modest | Shell Bell
Shell Armor
206 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 52 Defence
- Withdraw
- Aurora Beam
- Spikes / Raindance
- Surf

Cloyster is my Special Sweeper and Physical Sponge.
Withdraw makes Cloysters Defence higher and if I use Aurora Beam there is a small chance that my opponent's attack will go down 1 stage. These two thing wil make me even stronger against my opponent's attacks.
I don't know if I should use Spikes and make my enemies suffer and kill them slowly or I should use Rain Dance and then Surf wich gets stronger when Rain Dance has been used, and then attack with a lot of power but only once.
***

{gardevoir} Modest | Shell Bell
Synchronize
129 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 129 Speed
- Calm Mind
- Will-O-Whisp / Duoble Team
- Psychic
- Thunder Bolt / Double Team

Gardevoir is my Sp. Sweeper and Sp. Sponge. But most Sp. Sweeper.
Will-O-Whisp is for burning the opponent and kill him/her slowly. Thunder Bolt is for all types the are strong against Psychic attacks.
Calm Mind will make my Psychic stronger so I can kill others faster.
I have been thinking that if I replace W-O-W with Duoble Team, Gardevoir will not be damaged too many times but then it will lose a good attack. Should I replace Thunder Bolt?
***


{salamence} Adamant | Leftovers
Intimidate
6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Sp. Defence
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- HP (Flying)
- Earthquake / Rock Slide

Salamence is a Sp. Sponge and Physical Sweeper.
I don't think there is more to say here. It has got high Attack and Sp. Defence.
***

If I change to the right Pokémon...

...My team is immune to: Ghost, Poison, Ground, Psychic.

...My team is strong against: Fire, Water, Grass, Rock, Electric, Bug, Dark, Fighting, Ice, Normal, Flying, Dragon.

...My team is weak against: nothing, but I recieve normal dammage from Steel-type attacks.

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Yeah I know my team is totally unoriginal but here it goes:

Charizard @ Leftovers
Wing Attack
Flamethrower
Dragon Claw
Earthquake
*Pretty much made to only defeat Gyms and Elites, now that I want to battle others I think I'll need some supportive moves. Right?*

Lapras @ ?
Perish Song
Body Slam
Confuse Ray
Ice Beam
*So pretty much- the moveset I recieved it from! What item? I have a few berries...*

Nidoking @ Kings Rock
??? (Thinking of getting Rock Slide tutored from boy in Mt. Moon)
Earth Quake
??? ( Need another flinhing move!) (Or maybe Mega Horn)
Focus Energy
*Or you can totally change it up!*

Mewtwo @ ???
Psychic
??? (Calm Mind? If possible)
Ice/Fire/Thunder Punch
???
*I am lost without him so no suggesting removal! :) But he needs a lot of help!*

Areodactyl @ ???
Wing Attack
??? (Razor Wind?)
???
???
*Uhhh. Me also lost with him too!

Snorlax @ Leftovers
Curse
Rest
Sleep Talk
Shadow Ball
*I'm okay with this - what about you?*

Thanks in advance
~Snorelax


Sat Aug 09, 2008 4:52 pm
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I have tried to make some teams with Pokémons that were offensive only and defensive only. But the offensive ones were killed too fast and the defensive ones were too weak to kill the opponent before he/she killed me.
So now I will try to make a team with Pokémons that are BOTH defensive and offensive.


{blissey} Calm | Leftovers
Natural Cure
252 HP, 252 Sp. Defence, 6 Defence
- Aromatherapy
- Softboiled
- Counter
- Ice Beam

Blissey was not easy.
I made it a Sp. Sponge because it's HP and Sp. Defence stats are so good. It's also a Heal Beller (or Aromatherapier ).
I use Counter because Blissey doesn't need high Attack stat. Counter does 2x damage taken no matter how high (or low) my stat is. The only problem here is that Blissey's Defence stat sucks. I know that I can place som EV's in Defence, but I don't want to waste them. The highest Defence for Blissey is (with the right Nature and 252 EV's) 130... Which still sucks.
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This Blissey that you have will not last long,I assure you that. Blissey should be Boldnature and should have 252EVs given to its Def since its Def is sooooooo low. With this, it may have a chance to survive an EQ, Rock Slide, or any other powerful physical attacks. Your giving it Counter and you're not putting Def EVs in it? Counter is bad here for one reason: it doesnt survive long enough to do the move. This should be the Blissey you use:
{blissey}@lefties
Bold | Serene Grace | 252Def, 204Hp, 54SpD
Softboiled
Aromatherapy
Thunder Wave/Ice Beam
Seismic Toss


{aggron} Impish | Leftovers
Sturdy
108 HP, 148 Defence, 252 Attack
- Thunder Wave
- Iron Defence
- Rock Slide
- Iron Tail / Earthquake

Aggron is a VERY strong Pokémon in the Defence stat. And it's Attack stat isn't too bad.
So it will be my Physical Sweeper AND my Physical Sponge.
Thunder Wave is to make my opponent unable to hit me, and Iron Defence is to protect me against the damage he/she is able to though he/she is Paralyzed.
***

Aggron is one of the pokemon that I've seen fall so fast in battle. Brick Break from an Adamant Heracross w/o CB can kill it. I sugest that you swap it for my favorite pokemon, {metagross}. Metagross does everything that Aggron can do and even better. But if you want an Aggron then this set should help you:
{aggron}@lefties
Adamant | Sturdy | 228Hp, 252Atk, 28Spe
Focus Punch
Substitute
Rock Slide
Thunder Wave


{absol} Timid | Leftovers
Pressure
252 Sp Defence, 252 Defence, 6 Speed
- Mean Look
- Baton Pass
- Perrish Song
- Duoble Team

Absol is weak... But it is also the only Pokémon I can think of that is able to learn Mean Look, Baton Pass and Perrish Song.
Because he can learn these moves he is going to be my Perrish Singer/Songer. I don't know what to put in the last slot so I just placed Double Team so that my opponent can't hit me and reduce my not too high HP.
***

If you want a BPAbsol then this is the set for you:
{absol}@lefties/Salac Berry
Adamant | Pressure | 252Hp, 32Atk, 224Spe
Swords Dance
Shadow Ball/Substitute
Hiden Power Fighting/Taunt
Batton Pass


{cloyster} Modest | Shell Bell
Shell Armor
206 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 52 Defence
- Withdraw
- Aurora Beam
- Spikes / Raindance
- Surf

Cloyster is my Special Sweeper and Physical Sponge.
Withdraw makes Cloysters Defence higher and if I use Aurora Beam there is a small chance that my opponent's attack will go down 1 stage. These two thing wil make me even stronger against my opponent's attacks.
I don't know if I should use Spikes and make my enemies suffer and kill them slowly or I should use Rain Dance and then Surf wich gets stronger when Rain Dance has been used, and then attack with a lot of power but only once.
***

Dude, one word: Thunderbolt. When someone sees a {cloyster} they swap their current pokemon for any Electric-type pokemon and just waste Cloyster on one hit. If you want a physical wall and a special sweeper at the same time, then IMO use this:
{milotic}@lefties
Bold | Marvel Scale | 252Hp, 200Def, 52SpA
Ice Beam
Surf
Mirror Coat/Light Screen
Recover


{gardevoir} Modest | Shell Bell
Synchronize
129 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 129 Speed
- Calm Mind
- Will-O-Whisp / Duoble Team
- Psychic
- Thunder Bolt / Double Team

Gardevoir is my Sp. Sweeper and Sp. Sponge. But most Sp. Sweeper.
Will-O-Whisp is for burning the opponent and kill him/her slowly. Thunder Bolt is for all types the are strong against Psychic attacks.
Calm Mind will make my Psychic stronger so I can kill others faster.
I have been thinking that if I replace W-O-W with Duoble Team, Gardevoir will not be damaged too many times but then it will lose a good attack. Should I replace Thunder Bolt?
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This is one of my most hated pokemon in the whole RSE saga. It's not versatile at all and it's also slow. Though your moveset looks interesting, your EVs are not as good. Instead of Modest, change it to Timid for more speed. That way you can max out SpA and maybe give 132Spe EVs to it and the rest to Hp. But if you have a Modest/Timid {starmie}, I'd say that you swap your Gardevoir for Starmie.

{salamence} Adamant | Leftovers
Intimidate
6 HP, 252 Attack, 252 Sp. Defence
- Dragon Dance
- Substitute
- HP (Flying)
- Earthquake / Rock Slide

Salamence is a Sp. Sponge and Physical Sweeper.
I don't think there is more to say here. It has got high Attack and Sp. Defence.
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If you make {salamence} into a Special Sponge then it's as if your saying "please kill my dragon pokemon while I use Splash." Sorry bout that if I offended you. I didn't mean it. Take advantage of it's speed instead. How bout this:
{salamence}@lefties/CB
Adamant/Jolly | Intimidate | 252Atk, 252Spe, 6Hp
Dragon Dance/Brick Break
Earthquake
Rock Slide
Aerial Ace

Jolly/Adamant will do. If you choose lefties then you can choose either DD/BB. But if you choose Choice Band instead of leftovers then it is a must that you DO NOT pick Dragon Dance or it will lock you!


If I change to the right Pokémon...

...My team is immune to: Ghost, Poison, Ground, Psychic.

...My team is strong against: Fire, Water, Grass, Rock, Electric, Bug, Dark, Fighting, Ice, Normal, Flying, Dragon.

...My team is weak against: nothing, but I recieve normal dammage from Steel-type attacks

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Counter Blissey does w2ork, but you can run with a calm nature and 252 defense for the most effective of them

Blissey @Leftovers
Calm | Natural Cure | 200 HP, 252 Def, 56 Speed
~Heal bell/Aromatherapy
~Softboiled
~Counter
~Seismic Toss

You forgo T-wave, as t-waving a physical attacker can disrupt the counter.



Aggron is best with Rock Head - Double Edge and EQ are going to be your msot used moves on him. Thunderwave is good so you can possibly "sweep", and the Rock Slide or Iron tail for the finish. consider replacing him though with Forretress, as Forry has Rapid Spin, Spikes and physical defense to act as your wall. then it can Explode for you.

I agree with Milotic > Cloyster, though you should use 56 SpA (you were missing 4 EVs)

For gardy, I'd go with Calm Mind, Psychic, Thunderbolt, and either WoW or Hypnosis - WoW lets you hang on longer, and sort of buffers up that defense by lowering the opponents attack. The Hypnosis allows you to power up safely. Its the power up and sleep/burn move that seperates Gardy from Starmie.


Salamence - CB mence needs Double Edge > Brick Break. Personally, I like GP Mence instead. Rash/Mild, with Dragon Dance, dragon Claw, Fire Blast, and HP Flying/EQ.


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Thanks for the advice.

Can I use Alakazam instead of Starmie?
I ask because I can't breed for a better Staryu, and Alakazam's Sp. Attack is better.

{alakazam} Timid [Modest] | Leftovers [Shell Bell]
Syncronize
6 HP, 252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed [26 HP, 232 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed] or [252 Sp. Attack, 252 Speed]
- Calm Mind
- HP (Fighting)
- Shaow Ball
- Psychic

This is the move set I found here. It's a realy good set... Buuut... I think that as a Sp. Sweeper, it should have an even higher Sp. Attack stat. Therefore I have writen my own ideas in ”[” and ”]”.
These changes wil give Alakazam 400 in the Sp. Attack stat.


And what does GP Mence mean?

About Forretress: He was my first thought. but in the Psydex it says that i need a card of some kind... And I don't have that card. :( :cry:

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