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Chaining for Shinies(Pokéradar)
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Ace Trainer   Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:15 am Posts: 257 Location: Australia 
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lozza wrote: ...As I post, I'm on a chain of 40, on Electrike. OMG. 41 Max Repels left. Wish me luck!
Edit: Excuse me while I go jump off a cliff, holding a chain breaking Bidoof. I'm testing to see if it can be used to break falls, too.  By the way, I'm guessing the Bidoof from last time broke the fall for you? Which Pokemon broke your chain this time? lozza wrote: ... DIE ELECTRIKES DIE.
It broke at 41 again, at exactly the same way. Keep trying. I think I got lucky that my Lickitung chain didn't break for my first try at it. Make sure you can see all four patches of wiggling grass before moving to the patch behind you. _________________ Wai  |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:50 am |
 
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Gym Leader  Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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Working on
 still. The chain broke three or four times last night. If it breaks again today, I dunno when I'll get the swarm back lol._________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:43 am |
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Site Administrator   Joined: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:32 am Posts: 1917 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Present from gamefaqs about shiny hunting (kudos to the author of the pokeradar guide)
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<5> //////////////////////////// Ok, here's the most important part of this FAQ. The actual formula for whether a Pokemon found using the Pokeradar is shiny or not. Ok, so is everyone ready? Here's the formula, over three lines for ease of reading: 14747 - 40(n) Where P = Probability P(shiny) = ------------------ and n = Chain length 2621440 x (41 - n) So what does this show us? Well firstly, it shows that the probability of finding a shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar DOES increase as the length of the chain increases, and it also shows us that the optimum chain length is 40. Any higher, and there will be no difference to the outcome of the equation, even though it is impossible to divide by zero. |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:19 pm |
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Gym Leader Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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Ah! Interesting. It's nice to know that there is definitive proof for the increased rate of shinies while chaining. I've seen so many people on other sites say that the rate doesn't increase at all (pfft). Anyway, thanks for that.
Update on the chain: Three shinies found_________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:13 pm |
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Pokemon Trainer   Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 3:51 am Posts: 48
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Ok the first dude was right (sorry I didnt check your name).
I, when i didnt need a life, tried to get an unimagiably low r8 item on a game. It had a better chance than a shiny poke but i killed over 2000 of the monsters that dropped the item, no luck. Its mostly luck involved and even if you encounter well over the 1/8128 or whatever it is because the system dosnt know you saw 10000 guys... it dosnt make a difference. Good luck shiny hunters cuz i am going to join you someday -psycthero- _________________  92% of normal people wouldn't read a stupid tiny piece of writing at the bottom of a signature. If you are part of the 8% that did and are waiting for a punchline you won't get one. GO AWAY! |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:49 pm |
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Gym Leader Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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Quote: Its mostly luck involved and even if you encounter well over the 1/8128 or whatever it is because the system dosnt know you saw 10000 guys... it dosnt make a difference. I don't think you understood what we were talking about. The formula above is proof that the chances of finding a shiny while chaining increase as the chain grows. You are talking about the standard random encounter rate. _________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:16 pm |
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Fails at life  Joined: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:23 pm Posts: 546 Location: Isn't my avatar just so cute! :D
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Joey90 wrote: More random trivia! To get a 50% chance of finding a shiny you need to do 5629 battles! (Or ~1125 with pokéradar chain) Happy hunting! 1125 is still a lot of battles! So, 2250 battles to have 100% chance? Well, time to go get a chain of 2250 Bidoof. _________________ [img:18605e54da]http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6489/spritingshackvb7.gif[/img:18605e54da] |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:30 pm |
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Gym Leader Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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...why in the world did you quote something from the first page?
_________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:21 pm |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:15 am Posts: 257 Location: Australia
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Ghett0 wrote: So, 2250 battles to have 100% chance? Well, time to go get a chain of 2250 Bidoof. No, didn't you read the text under the formula from the guide? Quote: Any higher, and there will be no difference to the outcome of the equation, even
though it is impossible to divide by zero. The domain of n in that formula is {n: 0 < n < 42}. Substituting n = 41 into the formula would give an undefined value, as you cannot divide a number by zero to get a valid answer. Substituting n > 42 into the formula would give a negative answer, which does not make sense in probability. Even if you kill 2250 Bidoof, it would be the same as killing just 40 of them, because the probability will NOT increase any further as it would give an invalid value. _________________ Wai |
| Sat Nov 10, 2007 11:30 pm |
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Pokemon Ranger   Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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just posting fr putting my 3 biggest chains...
109  = *1 Shiny*
95  = *1 Shiny*
85  = *1 Shiny*
Now somthing ridiculous.... 49  =*5 shinies*
51  =*3 Shinies*
45  = *4 Shinies*_________________  Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 10:28 am |
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Pokemon Trainer  Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:55 am Posts: 32 Location: Breeding Feebas.
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Currently chaining Nosepass, for the awesome gold colour.
_________________ Want a perfect SpDef IV'ed, Calm, just hatched, Feebas? PM me, and we'll work something out.  {electivire}{togekiss}{gengar}{milotic}{dusknoir} |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:49 pm |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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lozza wrote: Currently chaining Nosepass, for the awesome gold colour. Yeah... i have one shiny nosepass... it was the 35 poke on the chain... _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:43 pm |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:15 am Posts: 257 Location: Australia
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Wow... that many shinies in one chain? Did you reset until a shiny popped up, or did you just keep growing the chain? I would get to a chain of 40 and then have to reset for like an hour until any shiny patch showed up...
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| Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:20 pm |
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Pokemon Ranger  Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:23 pm Posts: 899
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Peanut-Lover wrote: Present from gamefaqs about shiny hunting (kudos to the author of the pokeradar guide)
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<5> //////////////////////////// Ok, here's the most important part of this FAQ. The actual formula for whether a Pokemon found using the Pokeradar is shiny or not. Ok, so is everyone ready? Here's the formula, over three lines for ease of reading: 14747 - 40(n) Where P = Probability P(shiny) = ------------------ and n = Chain length 2621440 x (41 - n) So what does this show us? Well firstly, it shows that the probability of finding a shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar DOES increase as the length of the chain increases, and it also shows us that the optimum chain length is 40. Any higher, and there will be no difference to the outcome of the equation, even though it is impossible to divide by zero. putting n=40 in that formula gives P(shiny) = about 0.005. thats 1/200 which is pretty damn good!! Wai wrote: Wow... that many shinies in one chain? Did you reset until a shiny popped up, or did you just keep growing the chain? I would get to a chain of 40 and then have to reset for like an hour until any shiny patch showed up... does this mean you get to a chain of 40 and then, instead of extending the chain, you simply look at the shaking grass, then walk 50 steps if no shiny patch until you can use the pokeradar again? or is it simply better to keep doing the chain? if this other method would work, then it would seem better since you dont have to worry about breaking the chain any more. im gonna have to give this trick a try for myself one of these days. you guys are amazing for the amount of success youve been getting!! lol  _________________ everything you will ever need to know is in my sig. |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:42 pm |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:15 am Posts: 257 Location: Australia
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Cuddles wrote: Wai wrote: Wow... that many shinies in one chain? Did you reset until a shiny popped up, or did you just keep growing the chain? I would get to a chain of 40 and then have to reset for like an hour until any shiny patch showed up... does this mean you get to a chain of 40 and then, instead of extending the chain, you simply look at the shaking grass, then walk 50 steps if no shiny patch until you can use the pokeradar again? or is it simply better to keep doing the chain? if this other method would work, then it would seem better since you dont have to worry about breaking the chain any more. im gonna have to give this trick a try for myself one of these days. you guys are amazing for the amount of success youve been getting!! lol Once I got to a chain length of 40, I'd just keep walking 50 steps and reset the radar until a shiny patch showed up. However, it has taken me between 30 to 60 minutes until the shiny patch showed up. The worst for me was Lickitung, which took about 90 minutes. I've only been able to get one shiny from each chain. The chains break soon after the shiny showed up. _________________ Wai |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:19 pm |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Jul 03, 2006 8:23 pm Posts: 899
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thanks wai. im gonna give it a try when i get a bit of time......
_________________ everything you will ever need to know is in my sig. |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 7:59 pm |
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Gym Leader Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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Wai wrote: Wow... that many shinies in one chain? Did you reset until a shiny popped up, or did you just keep growing the chain? I would get to a chain of 40 and then have to reset for like an hour until any shiny patch showed up... Confused If you'll think back to the formula that was posted above, your chances for finding a shiny don't improve past 40 links in the chain. Because of this, it stands to reason that you very well could just reset the radar until you get a shiny patch, walk into it, catch, and repeat the process until you want to stop. That's what I did for my Vulpix chain, and I caught seven shinies. _________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Sun Nov 11, 2007 9:45 pm |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:15 am Posts: 257 Location: Australia
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Two shiny Nosepass, one at 41 and another at 48. There was actually another shiny Nosepass that appeared at 43, but I slipped and instructed my Lv45 Gallade to use Psycho Cut instead of False Swipe...
The Nosepass chain broke at 75 by a Ponyta. As per normal, the chain-breaking Lv14 Ponyta was paralysed with Thunder Wave, then it was fainted by my Gallade's Psycho Cut with a boost from three Sword Dances. *evil laugh* I've evolved one of the shiny Nosepass, just so I can see both forms of the family in shiny form. _________________ Wai |
| Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:46 am |
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Gym Leader Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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Congrats, Wai! :3
I've got a chain of 44  going right now. I've caught four shinies so far, but I'm shooting for a few more.
Edit: Two more shinies, but my thumb slipped because of how tired I am. Ran into a bad patch because ot it. Oh well - six is a good haul. _________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:49 am |
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Pokemon Ranger Joined: Mon Aug 14, 2006 9:39 am Posts: 689 Location: Brazil-Minas Gerais
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Cuddles wrote: Peanut-Lover wrote: Present from gamefaqs about shiny hunting (kudos to the author of the pokeradar guide)
Code: ////////////////////////////
<5> //////////////////////////// Ok, here's the most important part of this FAQ. The actual formula for whether a Pokemon found using the Pokeradar is shiny or not. Ok, so is everyone ready? Here's the formula, over three lines for ease of reading: 14747 - 40(n) Where P = Probability P(shiny) = ------------------ and n = Chain length 2621440 x (41 - n) So what does this show us? Well firstly, it shows that the probability of finding a shiny Pokemon with the Pokeradar DOES increase as the length of the chain increases, and it also shows us that the optimum chain length is 40. Any higher, and there will be no difference to the outcome of the equation, even though it is impossible to divide by zero. putting n=40 in that formula gives P(shiny) = about 0.005. thats 1/200 which is pretty damn good!! Wai wrote: Wow... that many shinies in one chain? Did you reset until a shiny popped up, or did you just keep growing the chain? I would get to a chain of 40 and then have to reset for like an hour until any shiny patch showed up... does this mean you get to a chain of 40 and then, instead of extending the chain, you simply look at the shaking grass, then walk 50 steps if no shiny patch until you can use the pokeradar again? or is it simply better to keep doing the chain? if this other method would work, then it would seem better since you dont have to worry about breaking the chain any more. im gonna have to give this trick a try for myself one of these days. you guys are amazing for the amount of success youve been getting!! lol Yep that's exacly what i do... just go reseting until you find the shinies... Trust me... it works better than just growing the chain... but its kinda cool to have a 100 or 95 chain... _________________ Get your custom sprites,avatars and signatures at Froggy's Lilypad! My Youtube Channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/Bushin22 Watch,Comment,Rate and Enjoy! ^_^x *Currently BUSY with real life,so i might take a while to respond messages or RMTs... Sorry,I might be back someday...* |
| Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:09 am |
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Pokemon Trainer Joined: Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:55 am Posts: 32 Location: Breeding Feebas.
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Wai wrote: Two shiny Nosepass, one at 41 and another at 48. There was actually another shiny Nosepass that appeared at 43, but I slipped and instructed my Lv45 Gallade to use Psycho Cut instead of False Swipe...
The Nosepass chain broke at 75 by a Ponyta. As per normal, the chain-breaking Lv14 Ponyta was paralysed with Thunder Wave, then it was fainted by my Gallade's Psycho Cut with a boost from three Sword Dances. *evil laugh* I've evolved one of the shiny Nosepass, just so I can see both forms of the family in shiny form. I catch the chain breakers. Then I name them things like "MagChain(downarrow)". Then I send them out against Cynthia's Garchomp. _________________ Want a perfect SpDef IV'ed, Calm, just hatched, Feebas? PM me, and we'll work something out. {electivire}{togekiss}{gengar}{milotic}{dusknoir} |
| Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:59 pm |
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Bug Catcher  Joined: Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:14 am Posts: 3
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is there a trick when it comes to chaining?
cuz i can only get chains of 10-20 then somthing always comes along and breaks it if som1 could help out with some tips that would be great (im somwhat new only had my game 4 lil over a month) |
| Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:48 pm |
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Gym Leader Joined: Mon Oct 29, 2007 9:28 am Posts: 508
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Ace, check back in the earlier posts of this thread. There is a link somewhere that will lead you to a guide on how to chain properly.
_________________ ~*Shiny Hunter*~ Persistence ends resistence. 3DS FC: 5069-4148-2325 (please PM to exchange) Poison Friend Safari: Seviper, Ariados, and Whirlipede. |
| Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:05 pm |
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Ace Trainer Joined: Sun Sep 11, 2005 7:15 am Posts: 257 Location: Australia
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lozza wrote: I catch the chain breakers. Then I name them things like "MagChain(downarrow)". Then I send them out against Cynthia's Garchomp. Sending out chain-breakers to take hits for your own team Pokemon sounds fun. Let's say your opponent has just used bide and you've done some major damage on them. Just before your opponent releases its energy, send out the chain-breaker and let it take the hit for you. I'm sure most of us won't hesitate to sacrifice something like a Bidoof. *evil laugh* _________________ Wai |
| Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:48 am |
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Pokemon Master   Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 4:50 pm Posts: 1205 Location: Southern Island
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k, i'm trying to figure out what happened to me about an hour ago.
Anyhow I was chaining some Beautifly to steal some Shed Shells with my Butterfree, I went to a normal rustling spot that was most likely a Beautifly, and when I entered into the battle, it was a Shiny! Here's the thing, it was a normal russling spot, no different colors, aren't they supposed to sparkle white when a shiny is there? Also, I keep trying to chain Eevees with the Radar, but every time a pokemon ruins it, I'm doing the four step rule and matching the exact type of russling and I still get Staravias and Kricketunes that wreck my chain, what am I doing wrong? (And yes i've read the guides, no real help for it) _________________   |
| Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:17 pm |
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