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ShadowTyranitar
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 5:12 pm Posts: 214 Location: Realgam Tower
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I was wondering what you guys think were the worst types in the game.
IMO its probably Bug types. Not many good Bug types besides Scizor, Armaldo, and maybe Vespiquen, but not many other. But I am glad new Bug moves were introduced, like X-Scissor.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:27 pm |
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Taser
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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I think there are good bug types, just not many. I mean, off the top of my head, Vespiquen, Heracross, Armaldo, Scyther/Scizor... I kind of have a soft spot for bugs though, because they're underestimated.
I think fire-types are teh sux0r. They dominate the looks department (Rapidash, Ninetales, Houndoom, Ho-oh, Typhlosion, Charizard...) but really, there aren't very many good fire-types for battle.
Grass-types usually aren't good either, and tend to all look the same--dinosaur-ish. Poison-types don't impress me much either, though for some reason I'm partial to Seviper.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:32 pm |
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PixelTwist
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Rock/Ground is a pretty bad typing. There are a few pokémon that would be halfway decent, except for their Rock/Ground typing.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:33 pm |
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Frost
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The worst type has been Poison since day one and it still holds this title today. End of. The only Poison Pokemon who I can recall getting any use in Advanced were Gengar and Weezing. But Poison has been nerfed ever since Psychic ran amok in RBY and Poison was "fixed" to only be SE against one type in GSC and later generations. The very least they could do to balance the game more would be to make Water weak against Poison.
Scyther, Scizor, Pinsir, Heracross, Armaldo, Forretress and Yanmega are all usable, but you can tell that Nintendo and Gamefreak hate Bug Pokemon because the best Bug Pokemon introduced in Diamond and Pearl are not Bug-typed. Drapion, Gliscor and Giratina all should have been Bug Pokemon because they are modeled after insects, and yet they're not Bug Pokemon in typing. Flygon, for the same matter, should have been Bug/Dragon as well.
PixelTwist wrote: Rock/Ground is a pretty bad typing. There are a few pokémon that would be halfway decent, except for their Rock/Ground typing.
Did I miss something here? There are nine Rock/Ground in all of Pokemon. Geodude, Graveler, Rhyhorn, Onix, Larvitar and Pupitar are disqualified for not being fully-evolved Pokemon. Golem is a great UU Pokemon in all generations and Rhydon/Rhyperior have been common in every generation. So out of the only two-three Rock/Grounds who should seriously be considered, all of them are good. Really good in Rhyperior's case.
Last edited by Frost on Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:59 pm, edited 3 times in total.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:41 pm |
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ShadowTyranitar
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Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 5:12 pm Posts: 214 Location: Realgam Tower
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Hmm....Poison is good against......Grass. Is that it or am I missing something? Poison is definitely one of the worst, but I agree with what you all had to say. Most Fire types have decent Sp Atk but nothing that makes you jump. And Rock and Ground has waaay too many weaknesses and not enough strengths IMO. And Bug/Dragon for Flygon would have been one interesting typing.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 5:51 pm |
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Dussel
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Joined: Tue May 22, 2007 2:14 pm Posts: 103 Location: You would'nt beleive me if i told you
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Bug = pawns dark and psychics "Which are some of the main classes people use"
Poison type= pawnage against grass, only weaknesses are ground and psychic
very good resistance against other stuff
Koffing only has 1 weakness due to levitate
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 6:21 pm |
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Takien
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:21 am Posts: 88 Location: Antarctica
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Are you people blind?! NORMAL is the worst type! No strengths at all, and a weakness, along with some "not very effective"s to some types. Yea, there may be some sorta cool normals, the type in general is just plain HORRIBLE! Ok, I'm done.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:20 pm |
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Taser
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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^Normal types are CLEARLY underestimated (especially based on your post ).
Sure, normal-types have some disadvantages, but they can be quite good, too. Look at Kangaskhan and Tauros. Two very underestimated pokemon with a few above-average stats (I'm not by any means saying they're the greatest stats in the game) and varied movepools that allow them to have diversity, despite being normal type.
Normals may not do super-effective damage to anything, but like Frost pointed out, Poisons get PWND by two of the most common moves in the game, including competitive battling: Psychic/psychic moves and of course, EARTHQUAKE. At least Tauros can survive an Earthquake or a Psychic (especially an Earthquake).
Sorry, had to stick up for the normal types. Besides, they're so cute ^.^ *cuddles Glameow*
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 7:48 pm |
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poplers
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I agree, poison is the worst type, ever. There is no point to it. Also, along with Frost, those other pokemon should've definetly been typed as bug. Look at the first E4 member, he had to use Heracross, a 2nd generation, Drapion (who isn't even a bug type!!), Vespiquen (Perhaps a good bug type??), Dustox (a poison & bug type...3rd gen.), and Beautifly (flying/bug, also a 3rd gen.) The creators didn't try when it came to the bug type, even though its how the game started...
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 8:03 pm |
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Mr. Saturn
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I think Poison and Bug are probably the worst, mainly for reasons given above. Frost summed it up best, but Giratina is NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT A BUG.
Giratina is a Basilisk.
That is not a bug, it is a multilegged reptile. Giratina is based on the Basilisk, which is a reptile king, and causes death with its stare.
Just because it has more than four legs, it doesn't automatically mean it's a bug. Crustaceans like crabs, lobster, and shrimp aren't bugs either.
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:17 pm |
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OriGinaL
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Basilisk is that like some ancient god to tribal people? I know it's not real if it kills people with its stare >_<
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 10:29 pm |
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FaceLess
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Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pm Posts: 399
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I think steel is severely overated, it has a lot of resistances, but out of the Really important resistances it has like, two.
Basilisks are mythical monsters, a common variation on the basilisk stare is that it turns you into stone.
Cockatrices and Gorgons for some reason get mixed up with Basalisks. Though they look Completely different.
(Note I didn't use a dirty word)
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Sat Jun 16, 2007 11:39 pm |
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Phel Phyre
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Joined: Sun Jun 03, 2007 2:28 am Posts: 27
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Frost wrote: The worst type has been Poison since day one and it still holds this title today. End of.
Meh, at least they have Crobat. I don't know how useful he is in D/P, but he was amazing in the third gen.
As far as flat out bad, I'd say fire is becoming one of the worst types now. I used to have fun with full fire teams, but in the D/P environment it's slim pickings (gen 4 only having two new fire pokemon makes Pyro a saaaaaaaad panda).
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 2:06 am |
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GethsmaneThunder
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Joined: Thu May 10, 2007 11:54 am Posts: 68 Location: My Pants
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Poison types definitely got the raw end of the deal when the game got designed. It's a shame too because there is SO MUCH potential in the ranks it isn't funny...
Also re:whoever was talking about grass being weak to poison - Yeah, Grass is weak, but most Grassers can either learn EQ or are already half-Poison, which negates the weakness in the first place.
...but yeah. Poison is probably the most nerfed type in the game. End of story.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:28 am |
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Dragon_Tamer
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Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2006 11:35 am Posts: 20 Location: Behind you? O.o
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The worst type has to be the mixture of Flying/water. Electric is good against Water and flying so a fight between a lvl 60 and a lvl 70 Raikou would win with on Volt Tackle.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 8:49 am |
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Taser
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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^That's a terrible example. Raikou is a near-uber, and Volt Tackle is insanely powerful. More like a level 50 could kill Pelipper in one hit with Thundershock.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:24 am |
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Enigmers
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Joined: Sat Apr 14, 2007 4:46 pm Posts: 212
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Dragon_Tamer wrote: The worst type has to be the mixture of Flying/water. Electric is good against Water and flying so a fight between a lvl 60 and a lvl 70 Raikou would win with on Volt Tackle.
You could kinda say that for every type combo with a 4x weakness, that doesn't mean they're horrible.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 9:54 am |
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Valcarde
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 1:07 pm Posts: 66
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Another vote -against- Normals being named the weakest.
Blissey: Normal, and used very often competetively.
Snorlax: Normal, I haven't seen many teams with it in 4th gen, but if I recall, was very popular 3rd Gen.
Porygon-Z: My new favorite. Awesome as a special sweeper, and has a lot of options, decent stats/moveset too.
Poison, by far, is the poorest type. Which sucks, because Seviper looks awesome, and Crobat is awesomesauce.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:14 am |
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Music Swashbuckler
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Joined: Wed Apr 25, 2007 9:29 am Posts: 129 Location: Elsewhere
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Crobat's Spd. is definately something to not overlook. Normal pokemon seem to have higher Att. Psychics get more Sp. Att. as well.
Poison I'm guessing, has the biggest movepool of status inflicting moves. Take Arbok for example, lets look at his moves:
Wrap, Leer, Thunder Fang, Ice Fang, Fire Fang, Poison Sting, Bite, Glare, Screech, Acid, Crunch, Stockpile, Swallow, Spit up, Mud Bomb, Gastro Acid, Haze, Gunk Shot.
These are all of it's level learned moves according to Psypoke. Most of these have a percentage of reducing a stat, or inflicting a status. The reason most people consider posion a weak type is because of the pokemon's stats. Sure the movepool is great, but if you can't even manage to use them before the other pokemon destroys you, then it's pointless.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 10:46 am |
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Psychic Finn
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Joined: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:46 pm Posts: 29 Location: UCSB
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I concur. Poison has become nearly too weak to use. I mean, why teach a Roserade Sludge Bomb, when it'll only be effective against those few Grass-types that aren't also Poison or Psychic types? (Somewhere, Koga is crying). It used to be supereffective against bug too, but no more. (It makes sense though-poison killing bugs?) Poison should be supereffective against, if not Bug again, then Fighting-which is overpowered due to its SE against normal, dark, rock, and steel-or Water. Water is possibly the most unbalanced of all types in the post-G/S/C generations, since its SE against Fire, Ground, and Rock, weak only to Electric and Grass, and nearly all Water types can learn Ice Beam, Earthquake, or both (God forbid!).
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:01 am |
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Taser
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Yea, IMO, most of the best pokemon in the game are water-types.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 11:41 am |
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eamonn
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Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 11:38 am Posts: 65 Location: San Oileán Iathghlas
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That's why Bulky Waters were common in the 3rd gen: no Physical weaknesses.
Poison is fairly useless, but many great Pokemon are Poison-types.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:13 pm |
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Music Swashbuckler
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eamonn wrote: Poison is fairly useless, but many great Pokemon are Poison-types.
You contridicted yourself. Back this up with fact, I rarely see Posion type pokemon with above average stats AND a decent movepool.
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:20 pm |
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Taser
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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The only exceptional pokemon I can think of off the top of my head that's poison, is Gengar, back from RBY...
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Sun Jun 17, 2007 12:21 pm |
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eamonn
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Joined: Mon May 14, 2007 11:38 am Posts: 65 Location: San Oileán Iathghlas
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Weezing, Drapion, and Gengar are all good Poison-types. There are more usable ones, but these are the best. I see your point, there aren't actually many.
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