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Can somebody tell me how to get a Shiny quickly with PokeRadar?
The instructions were a little vague.
'Cause I'm desperate for a Shiny Buneary!

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RaichuLatias wrote:
Anyhow I was chaining some Beautifly to steal some Shed Shells with my Butterfree, I went to a normal rustling spot that was most likely a Beautifly, and when I entered into the battle, it was a Shiny!

Here's the thing, it was a normal russling spot, no different colors, aren't they supposed to sparkle white when a shiny is there?

Also, I keep trying to chain Eevees with the Radar, but every time a pokemon ruins it, I'm doing the four step rule and matching the exact type of russling and I still get Staravias and Kricketunes that wreck my chain, what am I doing wrong? (And yes i've read the guides, no real help for it)

Have you made sure that none of the patches fell out of the radar's range upon walking into a certain wiggling patch?

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Can somebody tell me how to get a Shiny quickly with PokeRadar?
The instructions were a little vague.
'Cause I'm desperate for a Shiny Buneary!

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkeKPlBYYbs

There is no quick, reliable way of get a shiny. All you have to do is wait and it may show up before your chain breaks.

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RaichuLatias wrote:
k, i'm trying to figure out what happened to me about an hour ago.

Anyhow I was chaining some Beautifly to steal some Shed Shells with my Butterfree, I went to a normal rustling spot that was most likely a Beautifly, and when I entered into the battle, it was a Shiny!

Here's the thing, it was a normal russling spot, no different colors, aren't they supposed to sparkle white when a shiny is there?


Did the chain break after that? If it did, then you may have just come across a random encounter shiny. I was resetting the radar one day to see if I could find something in the garden to chain when I walked into a normal patch of grass and found a shiny Staravia. Shinies from chains will be in shiny patches. Random encounter shinies just pop up anywhere.

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The chain continued until I hit a spot with a Weepinbell 2 after it (Which should've been another Beautifly, but oh well).

Wai: Yes, I know that, the spots stay on screen the whole time (Unless I go to one that looks good), just those pokemon sometimes they appear in those spots when they should be Eevees (I'm doing the four step rule still).

So perhaps there's a slight chance even if they are 4 spots away (straight away, not 4 total as i've found out a long time ago before I even tried Eevees), they can still be the wrong pokemon?

Oh and yes, i'm using Repels of course.

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The number of steps you walk doesn't matter. It's the zones that matter.

http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=226939 <--- Scroll down to the part in the first post where you see the color diagram. It explains everything.


Caught a shiny {dunsparce} earlier. 13th link in the chain.

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Well Serebii won't load for me at the moment, but yeah I know about that with the zones, where you have to go into a Zone 4 for a good chance of getting the same pokemon.

It also seems there are 4 types of russling, correct?

2 regular ones (one has a little circle in the middle, the other doesn't), the yellow exclaimations and the shiny spot (which i've never seen)?

The regular russling types might of been what screwed me up awhile ago (Not with Eevee or Beautifly), but the guide I read said they're the same.

I'll give Eevee another try today, hopefully I don't get a Staravia, Roselia or Kricketune in the Zone 4 again.

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There are four types of patches, but they are non-blinking (regular), "soft" blinking, "hard" blinking, and shiny. The reason you sometimes see a small dot in the center of the non-blinking patch is because of the angle of the sprite. Soft blinking patches blink with that yellowish green color. Hard blinking patches blink white.

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ok, ive finally given it a try. ive been chaining spoinks on route 214 (i think its 214 - just below the city with the dept store). havent got very far really, a few chains of around 15, but i think im following the rules correctly, just ending chains when i see a patch which im not sure is a shiny one and check it just in case. well, now i think i know what is NOT shiny, ill just have to see what is!

wish me luck!!!!!!

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Well I tried again for Eevees, chain broke at 27 from a Staravia which was in Zone Four with the same russeling that I was chaining, so I dunno what i'm doing wrong.

I.e (copied from that Serebii topic that finally loaded)

4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4
4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4
4 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 1 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 1 1 1 2 3 4
4 3 2 2 2 2 2 3 4
4 3 3 3 3 3 3 3 4
4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4

Staravia was in Zone Four (The one in Bold and Underline) when I was chaining Eevees with the same russeling, so I guess I just have bad luck or something.

Oh well, maybe it was a tiny bit different even though I was watching the screen carefully, i'll give it another try again tomorrow if I have free time.

Btw, changing those colors was a pain to do, since I couldn't copy colors along with the text.

EDIT: Started another chain, Roselia in Zone 4 this time ruined it, I must be doing something wrong if this keeps happening, this one I was sure matched Eevee's.

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I wish I knew what to tell you D:

Sometimes, chains just break out of nowhere even when it looks like you're doing everything correctly. As I've said elsewhere in the thread, the rules are important, but persistence is even more so. Keep at it, and don't let breaks discourage you.

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Oh well, i'll just have to try for a lot longer (Trying for a Modest Shiny Eevee with the Synchronize trick), at least Eevee is somewhat common for me now.

Thanks for the help anyhow.

Edit: I donated a few Psybucks to you as well.

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Thanks! o.o

Good luck with your chaining. If your chains keep breaking in a similar fashion, see if you can remember where the other patches in zones 3, 2, and 1 were. Maybe we can look them over and see if we can discover some sort of pattern. I'd be happy to help!

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WOW! Kurushel, Wai e.t.c Theres a shiny for you like every day... Just for arguments sake how long do you spend trying to chain these things ( i want to see how much effort it will take :] )

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Hmm...well, that depends. When I chained for my first shiny, my Absol, it only took about 10 minutes because it appeared on the 8th link in the chain. There have been other times when it has taken me an hour or two (or three x.x) to snag a shiny.

Really, it depends on how careful I feel like being at the moment. If I'm hunting something that ranks up as uncommon or rare on the rarity scale, I take things slow.

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I find it more rewarding to randomly find Shining Pokemon and then catch them. That, and I've never had much luck with the Pokeradar besides finding a Miltank for my team.

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I find it more rewarding to randomly find Shining Pokemon and then catch them. That, and I've never had much luck with the Pokeradar besides finding a Miltank for my team.


I suppose we have differing definitions for "rewarding" then. Personally, I like the feeling of accomplishment once I find a shiny that I've been working for. Sure, finding random encounter shinies is a nice surprise, but I wouldn't quite say it's rewarding. After all, what work was done to earn it?

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hmmm... i didnt get another chance at finding a shiny spoink. today is drowzee at route 215 and ive been trying but its really hard since its raining - all the rain drops landing on the grass make it pretty hard to tell which patches are moving. i might have to leave this one until i get better - has anyone else tried chaining in the rain?

EDIT: i have a couple of questions.

1. is it really the case that the type of wiggling matters? in my longest chain i was testing this theory, and i just went for the patches in the square 4 away from the centre whether it was wiggling with or without the slight sparkle and it didnt seem to make a difference. but that could be luck.

2. is it really important to only go to a wiggling patch of grass if you saw FOUR patches shake? i mean if you always go to the one 4 patches away, shouldnt this be enough?

3. when you go to a square, is it really important to make sure every wiggling patch is still visible?

4. i was just chaining shellos near the windmill, and somehow the chain broke, but not by seeing a different pokemon - i was just running around recharging the radar when all of a sudden the chaining music turned into the regular route 205 (or whatever route) music. would this be because i maybe ran somewhere where i couldnt see the previous wiggling patches? (so this kind of relates to question 3.)

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Cuddles wrote:
4. i was just chaining shellos near the windmill, and somehow the chain broke, but not by seeing a different pokemon - i was just running around recharging the radar when all of a sudden the chaining music turned into the regular route 205 (or whatever route) music. would this be because i maybe ran somewhere where i couldnt see the previous wiggling patches? (so this kind of relates to question 3.)


I had this same thing happen. It brings up questions about resetting. How can you keep resetting if the chain will stop?

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1. is it really the case that the type of wiggling matters? in my longest chain i was testing this theory, and i just went for the patches in the square 4 away from the centre whether it was wiggling with or without the slight sparkle and it didnt seem to make a difference. but that could be luck.

Come to think of it, I've never tried testing that idea before. I'll get to work on that soon and post my results.

2. is it really important to only go to a wiggling patch of grass if you saw FOUR patches shake? i mean if you always go to the one 4 patches away, shouldnt this be enough?

I'm thinking that rule was put in place so that there would be no mistaking a zone four patch by virtue of the fact that all other patches on the screen would be visible for comparison. Another thing I'll have to test.

3. when you go to a square, is it really important to make sure every wiggling patch is still visible?

Very much so.

4. i was just chaining shellos near the windmill, and somehow the chain broke, but not by seeing a different pokemon - i was just running around recharging the radar when all of a sudden the chaining music turned into the regular route 205 (or whatever route) music. would this be because i maybe ran somewhere where i couldnt see the previous wiggling patches? (so this kind of relates to question 3.)

I've had that happen to me before as well (and in the very same spot too). Your assumption is correct.

I had this same thing happen. It brings up questions about resetting. How can you keep resetting if the chain will stop?

Resetting the radar does not cause the chain to break unless you walk out of radar range or your thumb slips and you walk into a shaking patch that you shouldn't. When I'm resetting, I run back and forth along a strip of five safe patches until I've gone the 50 paces it takes to charge the radar.


Concerning chaining in bad weather, I've found it useful to tilt the DS screen a little bit. The slight change in contrast helps a little, in my opinion.

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wow - thanks for the advice Kurushel! and i look forward to hearing what an experienced chainer (ie you) has to say about questions 1 and 2 after youve tried it out.

heres a couple of additional "rules" which people might find helpful:

1. turn the sound on. if you see a shiny after 30 battles, you might be so used to killing pokemon that you might accidentally kill the shiny! the sound will help snap you out of it. also, if youre finding it hard to concentrate, it can be difficult to remember to look out for the wiggling patches after a battle, but the ending of the battle music might just help you come back to attention.

2. if youre not sure if a certain patch is the right one to go to, just be safe and reset the radar. better safe than sorry. i keep breaking chains when i want to just check if a sparkling patch of grass was actually a shiny patch.

3. dont try chaining on the bus! its too bumpy, and you often have to reset 5+ times in a row because of not spotting all the wiggling patches, not to mention you might not notice one right next to you and walk into it thinking its safe. (and obviously, a big bump might just cause you to slip and move onto a bad square.)

in relation to point 2, can someone who has seen a shiny patch give some info about it? i know there is a 1 second video on youtube, but its not all that helpful - it would be better if the video showed one of each of the four kinds of wiggles. so my main question is - when/if i get a shiny patch, will it be really obviously different from the others?

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Very good points, Cuddles. Chaining in the right conditions in the real world is important.

When you see a shiny patch, you will definitely know it. Shiny patches don't blink like shaking patches do. They have this bright pulsing light that sort of follows the same tempo as a quickened heartbeat.

*pulse pulse* *pulse pulse*

Also, you will see four distinct lights in the patch. Each one is circular. I guess if I had to compare the shiny patch to something, I'd have to say that it looks like a bush that has been decorated with Christmas lights XD

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Well I doubt it matters, but I did some Eevee chains today. One strange thing I found out, Eevee will be there forever if you don't go and talk to Backlot again (Eevee's been there for weeks for me).

Eevee Chain 1 - 17 broken by Roselia right side (sorta near the bottom)
Eevee Chain 2 - 8 broken by Roselia left side (sorta near bottom as well)
Eevee Chain 3 - 25 broken by....nothing Radar ended on mid/low left side

All were near the bottom (except for the 25 one), but I could probably get the same problem if more higher ones appeared.

Most of these I went one or two to the left or right and then four down (which is still Zone 4 on the chart) Maybe those certain spots could be iffy or something.

Also, does it matter how many spots or where they appear? I've seen about 2 at once in Zone four, maybe that could be it as well? Or is it also bad if only 3 spots move? (like 2 and another counting the one behind you)

I'll try later and avoid choosing a spot where another one is in Zone Four as well, maybe that's the problem.

Also, like Cuddles was talking about, I had that too with a chain of Shinx, where I did both of the regular russeling and that went to 43 (reset for hours, no shiny, so I got tired of it and gave up)

But if I try that with Eevee, it always ends at about 2 or 3.

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One of the supposed rules is you shouldn't take more than 7 steps from where you are standing to a rustling patch.

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One strange thing I found out, Eevee will be there forever if you don't go and talk to Backlot again (Eevee's been there for weeks for me).

I've noticed that as well. I had Plusle about a week or two ago the last time I spoke to Backlot and checked back there again without speaking to him. The Plusles were still there.

Eevee Chain 1 - 17 broken by Roselia right side (sorta near the bottom)
Eevee Chain 2 - 8 broken by Roselia left side (sorta near bottom as well)
Eevee Chain 3 - 25 broken by....nothing Radar ended on mid/low left side

All were near the bottom (except for the 25 one), but I could probably get the same problem if more higher ones appeared.

Most of these I went one or two to the left or right and then four down (which is still Zone 4 on the chart) Maybe those certain spots could be iffy or something.


Here is a little excerpt from a post I made a while back about something that could possibly be relevant to this:

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In this example, you would think that it would be safe to walk into the green patch. However, doing so would put the patch in zone three too close to the edge of the screen, breaking the chain. The same concept applies everywhere throughout the grid.

If I feel that a particular chain is being a little vulnerable at the moment, I take it a step further and avoid patches if there is one on the opposite end in zone 2. Probably a little too cautious on my part, but it works.


The thing to remember about this is that the DS screen is wider than it is tall which means that it is much easier to accidentally push shaking patches closer to the edge of the screen by walking away from them. Just apply what you see here in the horizontal example to your vertical situation.

Also, does it matter how many spots or where they appear? I've seen about 2 at once in Zone four, maybe that could be it as well? Or is it also bad if only 3 spots move? (like 2 and another counting the one behind you)

I'll try later and avoid choosing a spot where another one is in Zone Four as well, maybe that's the problem.


Actually, it's not possible for there to be more than one shaking patch in any zone. Exactly one patch will shake per zone every time the radar is used. Again, I'm not sure if it is necessary to see all four patches so long as you know that one of them is definitely in zone four as Cuddles hypothesized earlier, but I am willing to test that.

Also, like Cuddles was talking about, I had that too with a chain of Shinx, where I did both of the regular russeling and that went to 43 (reset for hours, no shiny, so I got tired of it and gave up)

But if I try that with Eevee, it always ends at about 2 or 3.


There is a good reason for that. Shinx is very low on the rarity scale which means that they aren't that difficult to chain. Eevees are another story since they happen to be quite high on the scale.

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Hmm, well I think i've seen multiples in the same zones, but that might've been when been when I was close to a border.

Also, I tested yesterday for a few more hours with the Eevee chains. Odds of a Staravia or Roselia were really high when there were less than 4 spots (Even though they were in Zone 4). So maybe it's best to make sure there are 4 spots on screen when you go for Eevees (both russeling were working as well even) (Though the one behind you is hard to tell if it's actually there).

Oh well, i'll keep trying today if I have some time, the hardest part is starting the chain.

What do you mean with the excerpt? It's a bad idea to go to a spot if another spot would be offscreen? Honestly, i've never really had any problems with those going offscreen when going to a spot in Zone 4.

(I mean i've done it, but it's never broken my chain, corners do that on their own well enough)

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