Makes sense, but still, I don't see a reason not to hand it off to DNA right before he gets lynched. DNA's not going to vote for himself, and with no other info to go off of at the moment, DNA isn't going to be able to pull enough people into voting for anyone else, so you might as well hand it off to him, at least until morning.

tl;dr: DNA essentially has no vote this round anyway. Pass it to him. If he dies, he'll take it with him and we'll be rid of it.

Wait, I never heard from anyone if item passing is possible. Argo's post would suggest that it is but I guess he never explicitly said anything about item passing.

EDIT: Dang. Day 2 Evening and we've already made 7 pages of posts.

Yeah, like what? Unless I get a bit more detail, I'm honestly not buying it. And do not give the excuse that 'the scum might get information'. For all you know, the scum might already have it. Or, even better yet, not care whatsoever.

I'm going to step back for a bit, and look over something. I'm going to say something that is completely irrelevant to the course of the game, and will not affect either me or anyone else one way or the other, in terms of in-game information.



What I am about to say may go against this. I'll try not to, but...fair warning.

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Highlight to view spoiler.
This is why I hate Werewolf. I absolutely hate Werewolf now. No, not just now - I've hated it long before. The same thing always happens. Either I am dealt a villager card and die right away, either in Night 1 or 2, or I'm dealt a wolf card and I'm lynched by the villagers because they assume, because I'm still alive, they believe I'm a wolf, whether or not I actually am one.

This honestly isn't fun. That's the equivalent of being victimized and kicked out of every Werewolf game ever just because I'm me. The accusation is that I'm a smart player and therefore a threat no matter what side I'm on.

But I'm not a smart player. It's extremely obvious I'm not a smart player. As evidence to this, I can safely say that I deluded myself into believing that you guys might have been different, but I was wrong.
That's not being smart.

Even worse still, HW convinced me the roles would shake things up a bit, and that my odds of surviving might increase a little bit because of that. And I chose to believe him. And now look where I am now.
That's not being smart.

I'm still deciding whether or not I should be hating anyone or anything for this. I already hate myself for putting myself through this torture again, hoping and praying it was going to be different. It's never going to be different. No matter where I go they will always kick me out because they don't want me in their Werewolf games. What am I supposed to believe from that? That you think I'm too good of a player? That you perceive me as a threat? That none of you like me? What kind of message are you sending me here?

I'm normally a very good sport about this kind of thing, but this happens to me every time I play Werewolf, and I have finally snapped. I am taking this as a personal attack, and I have finally snapped. I still have no justification to believe JsXtm's claim, nor the bandwagon votes that follow (you want a reason to lynch me, that's fine - it just has to be a legitimate one) - it's an admission that I'm tired of how you people (actually no, that's unfair to you - it's more so everyone) play Werewolf games when I'm around. Everyone ruins it for me. Everyone. Especially game hosts.

In the event of a miracle that your minds are somehow changed and I don't end up getting lynched...well, I'll hope that happens, but I'll probably be wrong there too, as I'm always wrong.

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That's all. You may return to your game now.

Unfortunately DNA, that's just because you are perceived as a threat.
That's why I GM and not play.

This is also why I GM and not play.

I'm kinda mad at you because of this, so I'm going to go and blow off some steam. I'm crossing my fingers and hoping the posts in the morning don't make me even angrier.

If he were knowingly wrong about you being scum, it'd be suicide. If he accuses an innocent person and they get lynched, he knows things wouldn't end well for him. That's why I think that he can be trusted. It wouldn't make sense for him to set up his own death like that. So, I'm going to go ahead and assume that JsXtm's role explanation is a valid reason for perceiving you as a threat this game and hope that he's right. I seriously doubt that he just picked you because you're... whatever it is that makes people want to lynch you in these games.

You should call dibs on the next game. :p I'd be interested to see what a DNA-run werewolf game looks like. This is only the second time I've been involved in a werewolf game.

Also @ChillBill does that mean there's an ability that can steal items? Or did he actually manage to lose an item somehow? Maybe the item dropped itself.

Why the hell am I the reason to blame?

I...kind of have to agree with ChillBill here. Although JsXtm says that he has an ability that indicates that DNA is scum, at the same time, that could be JsXtm trying trying to mislead us. Either way, I don't have enough information to jump on the bandwagon, or to flat-out call JsXtm, or anyone else, out, so unless something happens, I think I might abstain from this vote. I do have the perception that DNA is an experienced player, and from some of his posts so far, I can see how he might be a threat to some players.

Fletchling, are you a Fletchling? Does that mean that if you don't have birdseed, you don't have anything to eat, and will starve because of that?

Seems legit. Thanks, ChillBill.

I already said it once; I don't see a need to say it again.


I would, but the WW game I recently developed involves 24 people. Unless you can muster 24 people for this game, I have to keep my idea in a box. There's what...16 people for this game, if that? I could run it with less, but I want to get as close to 24 people as possible. If no one has any objections, though, I can run WW24 (it is 24, right?) and see how it goes.


Gambits like this happen all the time, in my experience, whether they're right or wrong. That's why I want to hear his reasoning, because until I hear a legitimate excuse from him (which ChillBill is asking for), I'm honestly not buying it.

If you do have one, JsX, that's fine by me. Please, enlighten us.

I run a forum with a handful of active users. I might be able to drag a few over here for a game when the time comes.

All right, I'll explain a bit. My information is that you put the additional Marks on GhostPony during the last Night phase. You said, and I quote:



So if you are publicly stating that he's probably not scum, but trying to kill him, I can only conclude that you're scum.

Pretty sound. Unless, DNA, can you give a reason why you are placing marks on GP even though you believe him to be non-scum? Does he have some funky Indie role + win con that makes him dangerous to the non-scum?

HW hasn't posted yet woo
Yes, I have an item called Birdseed, which is only beneficial if I possess it, really. It is my Wincon. If I lose the birdseed, whoever gets it receives one mark, and I heal one. So really, it's best that I possess it because I'm town I think.
inb4 this is an indie role and I'm murdered horribly.

Hm, a sound and fair reasoning, JsX. Very well, I shall take your claim head-on.

I'll begin by stating that I'm not going to retaliate by saying your claim is a lie. In fact, it's correct - partially. I'll explain.
And I wish I could tl;dr this, but I have a lot to say.

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I'm unsure what to believe about GP, in truth. Someone put a mark on him during the daytime, which means he could be perceived as a potential threat. I don't know who to believe who is a threat and who isn't, at this point, but I believe very strongly that someone believes he is. Thus I chose to go along with that notion, for now.
(@CG: It's possible for town to have 'anti-town' roles. I'm not saying GP does, but it's possible. Whoever placed the mark on him at daytime seems to believe that.)

I'll admit it - I can place marks on players at night. However, I can only place 1 mark per night. The one who placed a mark on GP, yes, that was my doing. But I only placed 1. I don't know who gave him the 2nd one.
I can only assume someone else gave it to him - I don't think it's the same person as before, since giving 1 in the day and 1 at night is a bit over-the-top.

I do believe, however, that the person who gave both GP and SS marks during the daytime is the same person.

Now, was my choosing to give GP a mark an error in judgment? Possibly, yes. I'd like to hear what he has to say before the day ends (if there's a chance).
To the rest of the town - if there's anyone you perceive as a threat, or believe might be a threat, give me a suggestion. If you guys want, I'll place a mark tomorrow night on who you think would be a good idea to mark. (You can give me suggestions on future days if I'm still alive by then; I don't mind.)

The day draws near to its end though, so I'd like to cast a vote of my own first.

VOTE: Fletchling

This is merely because of an admission of his win-con. Win-cons like those tend to be indie-related, or at least not purely town-friendly. It could just remove him from the game as a winner and the rest of us keep playing, but there's no guarantee of that. He's the one I'm most wary of at present, since no one else (besides GP earlier - who I still insist is town but may or may not be helpful) really stands out to me as being anti-town in some capacity.

DNA this is not a good idea
DNA stahp

Seriously, without Birdseed I cannot win the game. My wincon is to survive with the birdseed until the game ends, so I'm not a harmful indie at all. Keeping me from the Birdseed item renders me useless and vanilla, so I need it quite badly.

I'll be honest, at this point, it's going to be either you or me since the day has gone on so long with such little voting, and I don't want it to be me.
(To be perfectly honest, I'd much prefer a No Lynch for today, since we've gotten nowhere, and if HW finds that permissible, I'd change my vote to that. I just don't remember what he feels about No Lynch votes.)

And while your claim about just holding the birdseed until game end might be true...well, can you prove this? ...Then again, that's technically not a fair question (since role reveal is against game rules).
Even so, there may be more about your role that is unknown, but as to what or how much is anyone's guess.

My role is a simple as; Start with Birdseed, Vanilla with Birdseed, if anyone DARES take my Birdseed, they're in for some pain.
Yes, Fletchling is relentless in war.

This doesn't instill me with any confidence.
...It's almost enough to suggest that the people receiving marks in the daytime is somehow your doing.

Nope. I lost my Birdseed after the Daytime mark, so it can't be me. I only give someone a mark if they pick it up.

That's what I'm suggesting, though (or even, what seems to be suggested). When someone picks up the birdseed, even if you didn't have it immediately beforehand, that might be what triggers people being marked.
The most recent person to be marked this way was SS, so it's possible he's the one holding it. If what you say is true then whoever is holding it should give it to you, Fletchling.

Having it passed around like this is only going to hurt us all in the long run.

UNVOTE: DNA

I'm only doing this after reading the first two posts after mine. I still need to read the rest of the exchange and think about some things re: GP. I don't have time to do this right now so in the event that HW ends the day before I do, I don't want to vote out DNA when it turns out I should have voted out someone else. I might end up revoting DNA though.

JsX, mind going a little more into detail on your role? Where I come from that'd label you as scummy and you'd have a Camoclone chasing you to the hills.