Time for a little rant.

This is getting really annoying. I've seen loads of posts where people write something which they think is strong-worded and then go ahead and apologise for it later. Eg. "I don't like so-and-so because of such-and-such, sorry if I've come on too strong." Why do you say this? Do you want to politcally correct or something? Are you afraid of getting kicked off Psypoke? Well I say just say it and get over with it.

You really don't need to apologise for everything. It's getting on my nerves, and perhaps some other people's nerves as well. I mean when you're talking to your friends do you say things like "sorry if I've come on too strong?" We're you're friends, so there's no reason to apologise for something so small.

I'm probably not wording this well enough, or I'm not making sense. If you'd like a clarification as to what I mean, please ask.

So if you agree with this, disagree with it, or just want to get post count +1 then I'd like you to reply.

Okay. I mean when people write something which they think is a little too strongly said and then apologise for it, evenm though it's nothing.

I've seen a whole load of it on Psypoke. Maybe I just go out and look for it.

Oh im so so sorry for being sorry, im truely sorry.

Yah can get annoying sometimes but I just ignore it.

Post count +1.

I do that quite often. Actually, since I joined Psypoke, I believe there was only one fight I got into and didn't apologize. Thus my current location. Maybe it's just me, but I feel bad after arguing with someone whose face I can't see. That and the fact people I get mad at are always:

1 - Newbies;
2 - people who can't type properly for several reasons;
3 - FEM's.

All of these seem in unfit to start a discussion with, but quite often I do, and feel I have to apologize later.

I don't really care if you find it annoying, this is who I am and yes, I do that exact same thing with my friends. And most of you here aren't my friends, rather online acquaintances. One more reason for me to feel bad about arguing with someone I never saw in my life, whose background I know nothing of, etc. So I'll just keep doing it. It's against my nature to argue with someone and, sensing repentance or feeling I was unfair or just plain wrong, still not apologize.

The problem is, I love discussions. Friendly ones, that is. Where both people know what they're talking about, and can pull arguments to support their opinions and defend their points of view. I absolutely love that. So I get carried away at times, and obviously feel I must apologize. Not everyone is able, or willing, to get into such discussions, and I go too hard on them. So annoying or not, I fear you'll have to put up with me and my apologies just the same.

Funny how I read the initial post and thought it had everything to do with my own behaviour.

EDITed

I am one of these people, and it's because of one simple reason: this community. The people who register here make all the difference.

People here cannot take a little criticism. Any time I say something that is constructive, and it comes off strong, some "hero: tries putting me down. Then when this person does, all their friends join in. Then, Truestar looks like the bad guy.

This community is literally full of, you see? I'm not sure what to say? Frost sums it up nicely.



So every time I say something strong, people cry and act like it's World War III, and the countries have to defend themselves. Because this community is full of pansies, that's why I always say sorry. Because people here think it's the end of the world when someone says something, that coems off a little strong.

Partially the reason why I don't visit as often.

(By the way, I'm not saying sorry anymore, use your imagination)

Oh, so I'm not the only one! Am

Exactly. Whenever some intelligent discussion comes along, that's the key to get out of it: flaming. Say flaming, and the moderators are looking at everything. (Well, maybe )

It's a wonder good discussion can go on very long. I find it amazing, I remember a "racism and Pokemon" thread talking about Jynx and whatnot. This discussion went on forever without an idiot, nowadays, someone points out the smallest thing and suggests the thread be closed. :roll:

No you aren't the only one Blackwind.

Okay, so if people are debating on a random topic, then someone says "STFU NUB U SUX U DONT NO NETHING BOUT THIS!" thats not flaming? >_>;



Its FEGs. And uh, just a question. Why do you always get mad at the FEGs?

Back on topic; why does this annoy you? People who appologize annoy you? Why? @_o

I don't usually appologize to people because I'm bullheaded and I like to be right all the time, but if I feel like I've hurt someones feelings, then I appologize to them.

Edit: I did this once because the people who I "flamed" took the interwebz too seriously, and blocked me until I appologized and was "serious" about it. This is one of the reasons I appologize, also.

Sometimes I apologise, but I dont really grovel and beg for thier forgiveness. I dont think I've ever swore, but then again I do get angry. Like, I know whenever I say, "I hate XXX" sarcastically, I can 99% of the time expect a PM from some person saying, "thats mean" or they post it in that thread.
But, if it went to the extent of, "I hate you and Im going to go to your house and strangle you", then that would be understandable. Death threats usually arent sarcastic...or in some cruel way they are.
And I hate it when someone points out some minor, microscopic detail and says, "THIS THREAD SHOULD BE CLOSED BECAUSE OF *minor detail*, IM OFFENDED LOL"
....my two cents on the matter.

-Gardevoir~

I believe you mis-understood what I meant. When someone is coherently defending his point of view, eventually having to go hard on the words, the other one usually defends himself by saying the person is flaming. When all the guy is doing is defending his point of view. An example, I got into an argument here on Psypoke about something and at a point the other guy started playing stupid, deliberately avoiding the discussion. I just told him to "stop playing dense because I know you aren't". I was immediately accused of flaming. And I was called a "bastard, decedent waste of life" by PM in another argument, but that's another story



Indeed it is, I was thinking of something along the lines of "frontiers, elites-moderators" instead of gym leaders. My apologies (oops).
More than once I came across the fact that the rules of this site are subverted in favor of FEG's. These are allowed one-word posts, blatant spam and flaming. When I point those out, a discussion takes place, and I often have to refrain since, according to those same rules, I can never disrespect the authority of FEG's. It kinda burns me up at times.

But I'm not saying I hold a grudge towards admins or mods here in Psypoke. I believe I get along with all of them for the time being. These are merely sporadic arguments, all tend to end well. Mostly because I apologize after accusing them, which Undeadcutlet doesn't seem to be very fond of

Amen to that, brother! The number of times I've seen a Mod's post and thought to myself "Gee they'd eat me if I did that." It's like all Mods have "Elite Immunity" and can therefore do what they want, when they want.

I'm not saying I dislike our Mod group - I'm good friends with quite a few of them. But still, anyone would think that they'd try and show a good example to the rest of the members.

By the way: I give it 30 seconds before this post is deleted.

It's bloody annoying isn't it? When people spam, flame, post one word. Perhaps next time I will stop the subtly and instruct the FEGs to just spell it out in size-72 bold-caps-underlined lettering.

I've said time and time again for people to contact me if they feel the forum staff are disobeying rules. Time and time again, people ignore what I say, and just complain in public view.
Frontiers and Gym Leaders are not exempt from rules. They simply will not get punished as heavily. Only the Elites are exempt from the rules.

People only sit and complain, but never do anything to solve the problem.

That's because the one time I did complain about them, you ignored it! There's no point in PMing any of you, you're hardly ever here, and we know they'll just continue as they do.

EDIT: By the way, you can't post in size 72. The biggest size available is 24

I suppose by PM'ing an admin the problem gets solved?

Expressing my opinion in public is, I believe, my right. I won't bother an admin, and most certainly not point out names, saying "OMG a mod broke a rule". If I were to do that every time it happened, the admins' inbox would be full. Besides, I broke some rules before (and by replying to an admin I am perhaps breaking another) and I'm sure my complaints would simply backfire.

My complaints, if you can call them that, are in public view because they have the right to be. And it's not like I'm telling people something new, a couple of users share my opinion. I'm not saying the FEG's of Psypoke are "corrupt", only that I don't agree with some of their attitudes. Period. not starting a bloody rebellion, so let's not make a big deal out of it. Neither those who support me nor the ones who disagree with me... please.

But before I'm disrespectful to an admin, I'll withdraw from this discussion. Speaking out my mind can get me in trouble, seeing as I'm not as influent in the Psypoke community as to be entirely honest and get away with it. Which makes me a little sad.

Well...about people posting strong stuff then apologizing even if it doesn't need it, they should think about what they're posting beforehand...that'd help a bit.

I'm not going to get into the rule issues at the moment, but in my personal opinion, if moderators are abusing their powers in any way, even if you don't think they've become 'corrupt', it's a matter that the E4 should be notified of via PM. Moderator-ship is a pretty darn serious responsibility, and if several users share the opinion that someone who holds a gymleader position isn't upholding their responsibility, then it's a big deal.

There are, if I remember correctly, ways that moderators can discuss mod policies as a group, and if a normal user brings up specific concerns without getting insulting or personal about it, then actions can be taken, but posting them out in public can often make real worries about how the forum is being run disintegrate into either personal attacks, if the moderator is named, or vague complaints about how the universe is unfair if nothing concrete is mentioned. In one situation, the moderator sees the thread and feels ambushed by members who didn't even try to work things out in private. In the other, nothing useful comes out of it.

Also, a fair bit of the psypoke moderating goes on behind the scenes, either in less often viewed forums, or via PM to specific users who are having difficulty with the site rules, or through a few other moderating tools. Users don't see most of the work moderators do, because their job is to keep clutter and rule-breaking hidden. Part of the reason why the E4 should be involved in issues involving mod-ship is that they have access to a fuller picture of the forums through various admin tools, and are in a better position to judge the motives and reasons behind apparent moderator rule-breaking.

Maybe you should look at yourself and clean up your act before you start accusing others.



Big brother is always watching.


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So how am I supposed to solve this problem? If you don't tell me specifically who is doing what, then what am I supposed to do?

GRR ANGRY ON THE INTERNET

All I see is *complainmoanwhinecomplain*. Last I checked, it is our privilege to use these forums, not our right.

This topic has been unlocked as requested by the creator of the topic.

In his PM to me, he said:


We specifically created a Suggestions Forum for such things. I have not blasted anyone off from the forums for suggesting something, even if it was the most stupid idea you could have ever imagined.

If such issues have been brewing for so long, why didn't anyone do anything about it? Why suddenly "now", and why try to make it look like it's my fault?

Regarding the matters of "public opinion" and "controversial topics", the reason we lock so many topics is that so bloody often, it gets out of hand. I'm perfectly fine with someone expressing their opinion, but bear in mind that these are our forums, that you obey our rules and not some Constitution, that you do not flame, insult or disrespect others for their opinions. Whenever a "controversial topic" starts, the mods cringe because someone is bound to come in and start up something completely stupid (Refer to the Hurricane topic where someone suddenly began to suggest that Terrorists were the cause of the destruction). I'm quite aware that it only takes one person to spoil and hijack a whole topic, but as a collective community, it doesn't reflect too well from our perspective.

I believe that I've been fair and willing to listen <b>most</b> of the time and to suddenly blame a problem on me that has not even been bought to my attention privately is completely out of line.

Thanks TK for reopening this topic.

Honestly, I think TK is right. It's all well and good to sit here and whinge, but that isn't going to do anything. People may say that the Admins won't listen to them, or do anything, but I believe that they will. That is their job after all. So if you have a problem with something that happens on this site, don't just sit there and say, "oh well, a moderator will come along and fix this eventually," you should get up and PM the person who committed the crime, or PM a moderator is the problem is ongoing. If that doesn't work then I'm sure the Admins will listen.

Also on Truestar's comment on Frost's comment and his own comment on the "Pokemon and Racism," thread is very true. Whenever something even slightly controversial comes up there's always someone there to wreck it, or it just gets locked. Well we need a little controversy, or else this forum is going to get very boring. Really, who is interested in the opinions of others when it comes to their favourite pokemon? I'm sure people would get very interested in people's opinions when it comes to Pokemon and Racism or Videogames and Sin, precisely because they are so controversial.

Frost is right, psypokian has become synonomous with the word "pansy." Which goes back to my original point. All those people who apologise for being controversial. Well I believe that being controversial is something that only intelligent, well informed, and cunning people can do, so why apologise for that?

So why don't we prove Frost wrong about our pansiness and actually come up with some intelligent, and controversial, topics, okay?

I think it is worth noting that the first person you should speak to about unlocking a topic is the Moderator who locked the topic, if such information is available to you.

also



The moderators and admins do the best job they can to allow for discussion while making the forum family friendly. When "controversy" involves "abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws", the action will be taken, even if it makes things 'less interesting.'

Right, so here are the options...

1) TK lets us make controversial topics. A kid reads the topic. Meanwhile, their mom walks by and sees that her son is reading about abortions. Instead of being an actual parent and not letting her son read that in the first place, she blames the admins and sues them. Given that the justice system in Western countries tends to lean toward the person making a complaint regardless of whether it was actually the complainee's fault, the admins would stand to lose quite a bit of money. All of them are in school, so they're not exactly rolling in money to pay the legal fees. They are then forced to close the site and leave school because of how much money they've lost, and have to work dead-end jobs for the rest of their lives.

or..

2) TK doesn't let us make controversial topics. While boring, it avoids the situation I mentioned above and actually keeps the site running.

Which option is more preferable to you? (hint: it's not #1)

And a slightly more important reason...
IT'S A FREAKING KID'S FORUM, THEY DON'T NEED TO BE READING THAT KIND OF CRAP

Now, if there were a forum dedicated to mature discussion (read: not porn, just stuff not meant for kids), then sure, I would completely support more interesting topics. But as it stands right now, that's not possible.