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The Black/White Extravaganza [permalink]
Posted by Frost on 16 Sep 2010 at 7:31am PDT Updated on 18 Sep 2010 at 7:03am PDT
BW is out in Japan and the information is spilling across the Internets. First and foremost, the Pokemon. The rumored starter evolutions ARE LEGITIMATE. There are NO Isshu Pokemon that are related to pre-existing Pokemon. Yes, that means Buffalon and Tauros, Mamanbou and Luvdisc and whatever else ARE NOT connected.

Pokemon with alternate forms include Kenhorou, Basurao, Darumakka, Hihidaruma, Purumiru, its evolution, and apparently one of the event Legendaries. Click here for the list.

Thanks goes to Pokexperto for some sprites and the users at 2ch for the others.

New type combos include Grass/Steel, Normal/Grass, Bug/Electric, Bug/Fire, Dark/Dragon, Fire/Psychic, Ground/Dark, Dark/Fighting, Ghost/Water, Ghost/Fire, Electric/Ground, Ghost/Ground, Steel/Dark, Fighting/Rock, pure Flying, Dragon/Fire, Dragon/Electric and Dragon/Ice.

Tsutaaja evolves into Jyanobii at Level 17, who evolves into Jyarohda at Level 36.

The event Zoroa starts at Level 10. It evolves into Zoroark at Level 30.

Giga Drain has been changed from 60 Power to 75 Power.

There are only eight PC boxes to start. It's unknown if you can get more later in the game.

Belle starts with the Starter who is weak against your own. She'll catch a Yorterri before your second match against her.

Makomo asks you to get Munna from an abandoned lot. Later on, you can get one of the Monkey Trio from the same lot.

The HMs in BW are Cut, Fly, Surf, Strength, Waterfall and Dive. The TMs have been changed since DP's set, but there's still over fifty.

There are eight Gyms. The first is Grass/Fire/Water depending on your Starter as previously reported. Aloe is still the second Gym Leader and her type is still Normal-type. The other Gyms are, in order, Bug, Electric, Ground, Flying, Ice and Dragon. The eighth Gym Leader changes depending on your version. Iris from the anime is the eighth Gym Leader in White, while an older man named Shana is the eighth in Black.
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smallFly9 (16 Sep 2010 at 8:28am PDT) Reply
My big sis is gonna be happy that there's gonna be a fire/bug type.....
W00T!!!!!!!! Dive's back!!!!! WTF?!?!? no rock type?!?!? I wonder what the ice/dragon pokemon will be. yin....yang......and? And a pure flying type that's not arceus ^_^ Another mirror pokemon? and what's the deal with mamanbou? am i the only one who thinks there are too many pokemon that can change forms or has another form or is a nonlegend with a (few) counter part(s)? I love that grass steel pokemon!
VivianLeeScott (16 Sep 2010 at 9:08am PDT) Reply
The starters final evo's were unfortunately confirmed real. :(
B-Mac (16 Sep 2010 at 9:08am PDT) Reply
You're doing a good job right now, I'm very glad that Gamefreak has some variety in this generation.
jessetheweirdo55 (16 Sep 2010 at 9:11am PDT) Reply
The final evos for the starters don't look all that bad now that I see them in game. Maybe it was just the art on the leaked pictures that made them look so terrible to me. I can accept them now. ={D
FingerMan (16 Sep 2010 at 9:11am PDT) Reply
I'd love to see the pure flying type use roost.
B-Mac (16 Sep 2010 at 9:15am PDT) Reply
@fingerman

That'd be one hell of a paradox, but I guess it could just turn into a normal type like all the normal/flyers.
Frost (16 Sep 2010 at 9:27am PDT) Reply
It becomes a typeless Pokemon for the rest of the turn. It's not hard.
ticki (16 Sep 2010 at 10:01am PDT) Reply
Excellent work on getting them all up here for us so soon after the release! All of the bug and grass types are so cute, and I am so excited for Monmen and Erufuun. Sheep pokemon are the sweetest~
smallFly9 (16 Sep 2010 at 10:05am PDT) Reply
*picks up camera* Ok, which one of you said you were eating your cat?
kingcaleb333 (16 Sep 2010 at 10:16am PDT) Reply
daikenki reminds me of swampert
jessetheweirdo55 (16 Sep 2010 at 11:04am PDT) Reply
Not to be picky or anything but a couple of the image links are either broken or images of a different Pokemon. Just thought I should point that out. Great job by the way on getting all this info so quickly.
robbydebry (16 Sep 2010 at 11:16am PDT) Reply
cool, not exactly what I had expected but cool
lexvol (16 Sep 2010 at 11:28am PDT) Reply
that's a shame!i would realy love a fire/flying rapidash evo!

they said about a new start and they actually did it!
zht1997 (16 Sep 2010 at 11:34am PDT) Reply
wats with the different gym leader tat changes depending on wat u pick
and i think all the new pokemons still lok bad xcept for the starter and the yin yang legendary
mudkip eez awsome (16 Sep 2010 at 11:43am PDT) Reply
OOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYYYY GAWD. this is awesome! it still has like 6 more months and im already pising my pants! (im especialy excited bout the seal unicorn =)
jessetheweirdo55 (16 Sep 2010 at 11:49am PDT) Reply
@Mudkip You mean Sealicorn? C}=
mudkip eez awsome (16 Sep 2010 at 12:04pm PDT) Reply
@jessetheweirdo55 thats a good one =)
LameAsian (16 Sep 2010 at 12:17pm PDT) Reply
So, I see the pictures of the new pokemon. And to be honest, I think the staff has officially run out of ideas. The new pokemon look weird and silly. Pokemon should stop, like now.
Mystery Sentret (16 Sep 2010 at 12:20pm PDT) Reply
Am I the only one who absolutely LOVED the final evolution of Tsutaja?
Can't believe the heart fish pokemon is not a Luvdisc evo...
wickedwizerd22 (16 Sep 2010 at 12:23pm PDT) Reply
half of them make me want to scream with joy
the other half make me go "WTF?"
though i know some of them i'm going to get(the chandelier pokemon and the jellyfish and the gothic chick)
graah2 (16 Sep 2010 at 12:24pm PDT) Reply
yea a lot look really wierd normally u can tell which are legends this time its almost impossible
wickedwizerd22 (16 Sep 2010 at 12:27pm PDT) Reply
WHY ARE THERE SO MANY FIGHTING TYPES?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?/
chaz3121 (16 Sep 2010 at 12:37pm PDT) Reply
i think its funny how some of the legendaries have clouds under them lol
Gible123 (16 Sep 2010 at 12:47pm PDT) Reply
The pokemon this season are iffy. There are some I know i'm going to catch like kibago and doryuuzu and especially the new rock/water type turtles. I guess they are the new fossil pokemon. Maybe you can get fossils underwater in this game. I mean Dive + rock turtle=ancient underwater fossil?
GofD (16 Sep 2010 at 12:56pm PDT) Reply
I like em. They all have a uniqenes to them that hasn't been seen before. Yeah some of them make me scratch my head, and some of them make me giddy with joy. I cant wait to get a copy . This gen is gonna rock.
psy_striker59 (16 Sep 2010 at 12:58pm PDT) Reply
awesome! is there a link you guys can post so people can see all the new pokemon easily?
Anamator (16 Sep 2010 at 1:10pm PDT) Reply
in one side of my brain i'm saying Yeah BABY! the other side is saying... NOOOOOOOOOOOO!
mudkip eez awsome (16 Sep 2010 at 1:27pm PDT) Reply
@wickedwizerd22 serebii sez there is a lot of fighting types because the last elite is a fighting dude.
Flannery (16 Sep 2010 at 1:29pm PDT) Reply
I had high hopes for the evolution of the little terrier pokemon. Somethine epic like Arcanine, y'know? Ah, well...

I'm like everyone else. Half of the pokemon look pretty cool, but the rest are just plain odd. I'm sure they'll grow on us over time, just like every generation before them did.
wickedwizerd22 (16 Sep 2010 at 1:58pm PDT) Reply
so many bugs........
wickedwizerd22 (16 Sep 2010 at 2:00pm PDT) Reply
why all the bugs????
seriously, why are there so many god damn bug types?????
i mean some of them are cool, but so many.....
wickedwizerd22 (16 Sep 2010 at 2:01pm PDT) Reply
and yes, i'm going to say it again
so
many
bugs
lexvol (16 Sep 2010 at 2:03pm PDT) Reply
relax,they are just pictures from the game.wait until the art and the pokedex entries.
i think that the story that lies beneath every pokemon makes it look awsome or not...
Frost (16 Sep 2010 at 2:08pm PDT) Reply
@wickedwizerd22
Stop it. Your incessant whining is already extremely annoying.
Frost (16 Sep 2010 at 2:11pm PDT) Reply
Ice (7): Banipucchi, Baniricchi, Baibanira, Kumashun, Tsunbeaa, Furiijio, Kyuremu

Poison (7): Fushide, Hooiga, Pendoraa, Yabukuron, Dasutodasu, Tamagetake, Morobareru

Ghost (9): Desumasu, Desukaan, Purumiru, Burunkeru, Hitomoshi, Ranpuraa, Shanderaa, Gobitto, Goruggo

Dragon (10): Kibago, Onondo, Ononokusu, Kurimugan, Monozu, Jiheddo, Sazando, Reshiram, Zekrom, Kyuremu

Rock (10): Dangoro, Gantoru, Gigaiasu, Ishizumai, Iwaparesu, Purotooga, Abagoora, Aaken, Aakeosu, Terakion

Ground (11): Moguryuu, Doryuuzu, Gamagaru, Gamageroge, Meguroko, Warubiru, Warubiaru, Maggyo, Gobitto, Goruggo, Randorosu

Electric (11): Shimama, Zeburaika, Emonga, Bachura, Denchura, Shibishirasu, Shibibiiru, Shibirudon, Maggyo, Borutorosu, Zekrom

Steel (12): Doryuuzu, Shubarugo, Tesshiido, Nattorei, Giaru, Gigiaru, Gigigiaru, Komatana, Kirikizan, Aianto, Kobaruon, Insekuta

Psychic (15): Victiny, Munna, Mushaana, Koromori, Kokoromori, Shinporaa, Gochimu, Gochimeru, Gochiruzeru, Yuniran, Dabur
Frost (16 Sep 2010 at 2:12pm PDT) Reply
... Daburan, Rankurusu, Riguree, Oobemu, Meloia

Fire (15): Victiny, Pokabu, Chaobuu, Enbuoo, Baoppu, Baokii, Darumakka, Hihidaruma, Hitomoshi, Ranpuraa, Shanderaa, Kuitaran, Meraruba, Urugamosu, Reshiram

Fighting (15): Chaobuu, Enbuoo, Dokkoraa, Dotetsukotsu, Roopushin, Nageki, Dageki, Zuruggu, Zuruzukin, Kojofuu, Kojondo, Kobaruon, Terakion, Birijion, Kerudio

Dark (16): Choroneko, Reparudasu, Meguroko, Warubiru, Warubiaru, Zuruggu, Zuruzukin, Zoroa, Zoroark, Komatana, Kirikizan, Baruchai, Barujiina, Monozu, Jiheddo, Sazando

Normal (17): Minezumi, Miruhoggu, Yorterri, Haaderia, Muurando, Mamepato, Hatoopoo, Kenhorou, Tabunne, Chiraamii, Chirachiino, Shikijika, Mebukijika, Buffalon, Washibon, Wooguru, Meloia

Water (17): Mijumaru, Futachimaru, Daikenki, Hiyappu, Hiyakki, Otamaro, Gamagaru, Gamageroge, Basurao, Purotooga, Abagoora, Koaruhii, Swanna, Purumiru, Burunkeru, Mamanbou, Kerudio
Frost (16 Sep 2010 at 2:12pm PDT) Reply
Bug (18): Kurumiru, Kurumayu, Hahakomori, Fushide, Hooiga, Pendoraa, Ishizumai, Iwaparesu, Kaburumo, Shubarugo, Bachura, Denchura, Chobomaki, Agirudaa, Aianto, Meraruba, Urugamosu, Insekuta

Flying (18): Mamepato, Hatoopoo, Kenhorou, Koromori, Kokoromori, Shinporaa, Aaken, Aakeosu, Koaruhii, Swanna, Emonga, Washibon, Wooguru, Baruchai, Barujiina, Torunoerosu, Borutorosu, Randorosu

Grass (20): Tsutaaja, Jyanobii, Jyarooda, Yanappu, Yanakki, Kurumiru, Kurumayu, Hahakomori, Monmen, Erufuun, Churine, Doredeia, Marakachi, Shikijika, Mebukijika, Tamagetake, Morobareru, Tesshiido, Nattorei, Birijion

Personally, they are far too many Fire and Darks and not nearly enough Ice, but kids love the first two types so GameFreak had to pile them into the game, especially after "BAWWW SINNOH HAD NO FIRES" even though Fire NEVER has been as neglected as Ice.
B-Mac (16 Sep 2010 at 2:23pm PDT) Reply
this is actually rather diverse for the generation. I'm really looking forward to this just because the bug and fighting type finally got some actual love for the first time.
damaia (16 Sep 2010 at 2:39pm PDT) Reply
Sprites are here:

http://www.pokecharms.com/games/Cryptidex_-_Index
Frost (16 Sep 2010 at 2:55pm PDT) Reply
Or, alternatively, you could have just clicked on the link to a compilation of all 156 Pokemon's sprites in the news update you just commented on.
HollandM (16 Sep 2010 at 3:03pm PDT) Reply
I'm sorry, but this is sad! GameFreak has definitely run out of good ideas! Giaru, Gigiaru, and Gigigiaru are terrible!!!!!
DragonPhoenix (16 Sep 2010 at 3:15pm PDT) Reply
lol, thought there were a fair few grasses. Which is good i guess because grass is getting better and better as a type with each gen. awesome.

also... Dive HM = remakes? hah. Will probably be a bit disappointed if this happens. But still, loved dive in gen 3. more to explore :D

Liking everything so far. Im sure theres more to come.
Yog (16 Sep 2010 at 4:08pm PDT) Reply
@mudkip eez awsome I'm peein more than my pants! Just don't tell my neighbors... Lol, I is happy.
LeXis (16 Sep 2010 at 4:11pm PDT) Reply
THEY LOOK LIKE FAN FIC FOR ME
the exeptions are:
the starters are ok
Gigaiasu top 5
the monkeys
Ononokuso top 5
Zoroa/ Zoroark top 5
the fire baboon is cool
the dark leopard is also cool
the electric spider
the sea turtle
im geting used to the croc ones
LeXis (16 Sep 2010 at 4:16pm PDT) Reply
The WTFs are:
-ALL THE LEGENDS BUT BLACK/WHITE (I liked these two)
-the kimono ones >.<
-those under the earth crabs
-the one that looks like poo with grass upside
- I didnt like the robots
and more ??
AGAIN: THEY LOOK LIKE FAN FICS FOR ME
chaz3121 (16 Sep 2010 at 4:27pm PDT) Reply
also im STOKED that they have finally gotten a dragon ice, but im a little disappointed in the design. o well beggers cant be choosers
wickedwizerd22 (16 Sep 2010 at 5:12pm PDT) Reply
@Frost
glad to know that the people who run my favorite pokemon news website are so nice
i wasn't whining, i'm just stating a fact
we defiantly didn't need this many bug ones
sure some of them are cool, but i think most of them are unnecessary, also way too many grass,
glad to see that there are more fire types
i like that there are more ghost pokemon(i love the chandelier)
why doesn't Basurao have an evolution?
i think that the fossils and very cool and original(turtle and archaeopteryx)
i didn't like DPP's fossils very much
an ice cream cone? really?
water/ghost jellyfish
love it
the spiky grass thing looks.....interesting
does it do yardwork???
love the leech, shouldn't it be water or poison type thought?
so there, my thoughts
you can all yell at me now if you wish
tektonikyzer (16 Sep 2010 at 5:36pm PDT) Reply
Let the shoe eating begin.

I kind of like this set. I'm stoked about 15 new fighting types to try out, though, like Frost, I would have loved to see more Ice types. Can't wait for the game!
UrsaKazam (16 Sep 2010 at 5:57pm PDT) Reply
@wickedwizerd22.... well put sir.
Probopass_Fails (16 Sep 2010 at 6:01pm PDT) Reply
I'm definitely going to get the shellfish-under-a-rock pokemon :D
UrsaKazam (16 Sep 2010 at 6:03pm PDT) Reply
@Frost....

I understand that as an administrator you deal with a lot sometimes, but I've never noticed anyone showing you disrespect.

Just think about it.
Impersonation (16 Sep 2010 at 6:12pm PDT) Reply
Some of the Poke'mon are like fakes, but I can't argue. Anyways, Otomaru looks like something picked off a Mario game. It doesn't look like a real pokemon, but again, I don't know what's going on in the creators' minds. Some of the Poke'mon looks based on a past poke'mon:

Tabunne - Might be replacing Chansey.
Kibago, Onondo, Ononkusu - Larvitar, Pupitar, Tyranitar like
Gochimu, Gochimeru, Gochiruzeru - Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir
Chobomaki, Agirudaa - Tentacool, Tentacruel

I could go on and on.
andy1503 (16 Sep 2010 at 6:15pm PDT) Reply
as far as type amounts go i think its okay just a very different direction from previous gens
most of the pokemon are pretty cool but i just can't get over the garbage bags or Zuruggu/Zuruzukin
KokiriWolf (16 Sep 2010 at 7:04pm PDT) Reply
So, what, Rock Smash and Rock Climb are no longer HMs? Is Isshu not going to have any smashable rocks or climbable walls then?

I'm loving the new typings, especially Bug/Fire, Dark/Dragon, Electric/Ground, Dragon/Fire, Dragon/Electric, and Dragon/Ice.
Ekimmak (16 Sep 2010 at 8:09pm PDT) Reply
I'm guessing it's too late to say "I knew it!" with a lot of my theories that I have no evidence of?
Funerallaughter (16 Sep 2010 at 8:42pm PDT) Reply
Though I'm not fully intrigued by the design choices of some pokemon (giant ice cream cones? o.O"), the whole concept of a bug and fighting revolution harkens to the original concept of bug/martial arts fighting pokemon grew off of. Before statistics or "save the environment" messages were shoved down the players throats, I think that Gamefreak has decided go back and start all over; route 1 anyone? But I digress, my water/ghost has made it and that design is super cool, and can only be diminished if it were the tentacruel replacement. oh, and power to the quadruped fighting types, though it makes very little sense to me :)
Ekimmak (16 Sep 2010 at 9:08pm PDT) Reply
I'm not sure about which version I want, now that I can see which pokemon is on which side.

The legendaries, I'm impartial to.

Out of the version exclusive psychic families, I prefer Gochimu's(Black)

But out of the version exclusive grass families, I prefer Churine's(White)

What to do?
Frost (17 Sep 2010 at 12:28am PDT) Reply
I love how anytime I say anything negative I'm so meeaaaaan and disrespectful.

wickedwizard, if you would have just said "There are too many bugs" ONCE, I would have had no issue. Instead, you spammed up the Talkbacks with about four different posts saying "There are too many bugs! There are too many bugs! There are too many bugs!!!!" There was especially NO REASON to post three times in a row to say the same thing, and it just sounded like childish whining to me, so I called you on it.
arjen14 (17 Sep 2010 at 1:17am PDT) Reply
I Like , like most people, half of them..
It's cool that there are more fire.. but more ice would be great too.
and about the Luvdisc thing... some people need to eat some nasty stuff xD
arjen14 (17 Sep 2010 at 1:32am PDT) Reply
btw, the last 20 of them doesn't really look like Pokemon.. and some of them are fighting but doesn't look like they are...
Krisp (17 Sep 2010 at 1:34am PDT) Reply
There aren't enough bugs. I wanted more! :(

I am disappointed.
Infernape77 (17 Sep 2010 at 1:37am PDT) Reply
Oh no, only Fire starter have secondary types, So i going to use Pokabu. I like monkeys evo and Zeburaika I think BW pokemon are ugly but after the release I see that the pokemon better than gen IV.
wickedwizerd22 (17 Sep 2010 at 2:06am PDT) Reply
did anyone else notice that they all have un-godly stats?
GofD (17 Sep 2010 at 2:07am PDT) Reply
After lookin at ALL the oics for the pokemon, I still have to say that there is a uniquiness here. This is a totla reboot for gamefreak, and I have to say, from what i've seen so far, they did a great job.

I really like the distrapution of the types this tiem around. I just really hope we get more than eight boxes cause how the heck are we gonna store 5 generations of pokemon in 8 boxes???

Oh yeah the dragon for thsi gen ARE FREAKIN SWEET.
shether (17 Sep 2010 at 3:29am PDT) Reply
Well, there are some pokemon I'm happy to welcome, some are just meh and then there are some that are just not Pokemon forme. I won't accept them, I did the counting and got 44 out of 156 pokemon I don't accept. You can see the list here: http://shether.deviantart.com/art/112-out-of-156-179542997
Flannery (17 Sep 2010 at 5:06am PDT) Reply
There are waaaaay too many bug types this round. Why has no one mentioned this? :(

I dunno why everyone's so upset about the starter evos. I, for one, fell in love with the snake evo the moment I saw it!

And I think the water evo is very original. Sorta reminds me of a narwhal.
DarkAriados (17 Sep 2010 at 5:31am PDT) Reply
Damn. I have to eat my shoes now...
No, I am NOT sending in a video, for privacy reasons.

I stand by my word from before, that Mamanbou would have made no sense except as an evolution for Luvdisc.
The only explanation I can think of is that the creators' idea of a "completely new start" meant that they didn't mind creating a lookalike.

It wasn't a coincidence, it was a lazy design. They could have at least changed the colour or something.
VivianLeeScott (17 Sep 2010 at 5:55am PDT) Reply
All the sprites are on Serebii. They were all up last night. Not screen shots
Jigglypuff (17 Sep 2010 at 7:46am PDT) Reply
@VivianLeeScott You DO realize that the only images out there right now that we, Serebii, Pokebeach, or ANYONE else out there has are the SCREENSHOTS of the sprites that Pokexperto took, right?

Learn to check your facts before you post.
mudkip eez awsome (17 Sep 2010 at 9:49am PDT) Reply
@wickedwizerd22 there is a bug gym too
Camerupt--95 (18 Sep 2010 at 12:09am PDT) Reply
I like them. Some of them I don't like and som of them I love, like the seaturtle and the evo of the zebra, the vulture was so cool!! I must have it! the robot-pokemons looks like digimons though. Some of them are ugly. I'm not that disappointed and that makes me happy, yeah i'm pretty satisfied.
Camerupt--95 (18 Sep 2010 at 12:49am PDT) Reply
There are too many bugs!!!!!!!!!!why!!?? Exept for that i'm loving this gen!!
DarkAriados (18 Sep 2010 at 6:21am PDT) Reply
List of Pokemon that I think are awesomesauce:

Jyarooda - the Grass Snake;
Daikenki - the sea-monster;
Mamepato - the Baby Pigeon;
Gigaiasu - the rock monolith;
Warubiaru - the crocodile;
Desukaan - the Coffin;
Swanna - the water bird;
Mebukijika - the seasonal deer;
Emonga - the Flying Squirrel;
Purumiru - the water ghost;
Denchura - the Electric Spider;
Nattorei - the metal plant;
Shibirudon (don't know what it is, but it's cool);
Shanderaa - the chandelier;
Buffalon - the bull;
Wooguru - the Eagle.

I'll get both games, just for those guys. :)

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