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 Frost's Rankings: The Cast of Super Smash Bros. (Complete) 
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I've been sitting here thinking which character will be #1, and I've decided which one, lets see if I'm right. :O

I don't care for the Link clones either, actually I have a very similar opinion on The Legend of Zelda series. I probably like LoZ more than Frost because of the Oracle games, but other than that, pfft. Honestly I would have preferred to have Young Link playable from the beginning instead of adult Link, but whatever, I guess age isn't that big of a deal, only one of them should have a spot in Smash Bros. In the Smash Bros. series, I'd rank all of the LoZ characters pretty low, I guess I'd say Sheik > Young Link > Adult Link > Ganondorf > Zelda > Toon Link (what a joke Toon Link is).

I disagree with your placement for Marth though, I think he's pretty rad. Feminine men are hot. Pichu rocks and I'd rank him on my top 10 for sure, I don't really care if he's a gimmicky character. :( Also, Captain Dickhead doesn't really belong at the bottom in my opinion.

Oh and for the record I have never played Fire Emblem, from what I've seen of it it looks a lot like Shining Force though, with the grind thing.

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Krisp wrote:
Oh and for the record I have never played Fire Emblem, from what I've seen of it it looks a lot like Shining Force though, with the grind thing.


Ive played both fire emblem (somethin something) for GBA and shining force (2) for PC and yeah there sorta alike.

As for ranking the Super smash cast- MEH, im more into crushin my oppents with a massive army and ACU... back on topic, im thinkin either mario or luigi will be crowned #1.

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38. Link
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Game(s): Vanilla, Melee and Brawl; Tier: 11th out of 12; 16th out of 25; 36th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Based on the internet's reception, Link is quite possibly the most overrated video game character ever. EVER. He is intentionally designed to be a mute protagonist with no backstory, yet he has a batshit crazy fanbase who insists that he is the best video game character ever created. WHAT? He's just a bland elf with a sword and a shield. He rarely, if ever, has dialogue and I am told from a Zelda fan that Ocarina of Time gave him the MOST backstory of any Zelda game, i.e. NONE. Thus, there's nothing to like or hate about him either way. (Well, actually, I hate his fanbase and I'm sure a lot of people are pissed that I've already eliminated Link, but oh well. At least Mario has personality traits!) Link's most notable and probably ONLY character trait is Courage, which is his section of the Triforce. However, his cartoon form did spawn a hilarious meme for which I grant some extra credit: "Well, excuuuuuse me, princess!"

What do I think of this character in Smash?: I honestly just use Link as a punching bag most of the time. And it's amazing to me that a character who is consistently low or bottom tier can continue to be so popular. And don't act like Link isn't popular just because people don't use him in competitive tournaments, as way more casual fans play Smash than tournament-goers. I'm also glad that the "main" version of Link in the Smash Bros. series is his adult form from Ocarina of Time, even though apparently most of Legend of Zelda games do not star an adult Link.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Smash Link is pretty faithful to Legend of Zelda's Link. His special moves incorporate many of his weapons from his original games, including his shield, bombs and boomerang. He has his voice and general appearance from the second half of Ocarina of Time. Link is a pretty important character, so it's natural that time was taken to ensure his Smash form was authentic to the original.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Even though I find Link to be a non-descript bore with an annoying fanbase, I am not delusional enough to try to claim Link doesn't deserve to be in Smash. The Legend of Zelda is one of Nintendo's "big three" franchises, along with Mario and Pokemon, so the inclusion of that series' protagonist in a game for "Nintendo's All-Stars" is a no-brainer.

Overall Rating: C-. Link would probably be a completely average C because he's just that boring and does little on his own to rattle my chain either way. But I took off some points for his crazy fans and the fact that's never been particularly great in the Smash series.

37. Sheik
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Game(s): Melee, Brawl; Tier: 4th out of 25; 26th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Sheik was the secret identity of Zelda in Ocarina of Time. I never finished the game so I don't know how that panned out or why Zelda felt the need to disguise herself to Link... maybe she was afraid of Ganondorf? Either way, the fact that Zelda is a woman and Sheik was always referred to as a male character is one of those infamous moments in video game history that led to all sorts of stupid questions like "Does Zelda's genitalia change too when she morphs into Sheik?" I suppose it was kind of an interesting idea even though it doesn't make much sense.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: On paper, Zelda/Sheik should be a perfect character. In practice, the only one who got any use was Sheik due to hir blinding speed. It doesn't really sit well with me that Zelda's "male" alter ego is so much more useful in Melee, but I doubt that was an intentional design... even though Zelda was once again inferior to Sheik in Brawl. Either way Sheik doesn't have a lot of personality in Smash and hir fighting style feels pretty clunky to me, so I usually stick to Zelda if I pick the character.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: I had to consult with my friend Rhapsody on this one. Apparently Sheik does have a "Vanish" move but it's only done using Deku nuts. And he does "transform" into Zelda but not in the way that it happens in Smash. Nobody in Ocarina of Time uses needles or a chain, apparently, so I guess it's another case like Captain Falcon where they made up moves on the fly. Whatever, the new moves are pretty memorable, even if Sheik has a bad habit of running at a ninety degree angle.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Ocarina was a big hit a couple of years before Melee was released, and having two forms of Zelda definitely trumps adding a child version of Link. So, yes, Sheik does a good job of giving the Zelda series more representation without adding more clones. Although it does make me wonder why Sheik was deemed acceptable for Melee but Tetra wasn't for Brawl.

Overall Rating: C-. Sheik is a pretty interesting idea for a character in Smash thanks to the ability to transform between him and Zelda. But overall he's a pretty generic ninja-based design and his fighting style doesn't do very much for me.

36. Mr. Game and Watch
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Game(s): Melee, Brawl; 21st out of 25; 11th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Mr. Game and Watch was the "star" of the Game and Watch series, which were several unrelated games released on Nintendo's handheld "Game and Watch" systems. Gunpei Yokoi created these devices in 1979, which predated even the creation of Donkey Kong and Mario in 1981, making them Nintendo's first true video games. The "character" doesn't really have a backstory, nor is he ever depicted as anything more than a basic outline.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Mr. Game and Watch was Melee's oddball nostalgic choice, but he was a lot of fun. His voice consists solely of bleeps and bloops from Game and Watch consoles, and his stage, Flat Zone, is a giant Game and Watch display with music composed of Game and Watch noises. He was the last character to be unlocked in Melee, and he was actually pretty annoying to unlock. There was also a fun Event in which you had to kill like 50 Mr. Game and Watch bots in the Flat Zone stage.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: They actually did a really good job translating a bunch of Mr. Game and Watch's titles, including Fire, Oil Panic, Chef, Judge, Greenhouse, Lion and over ten more, into both his regular and special moves in the Smash series. My favorite of these is easily his standard B special, the Sausage Flip. :D

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Okay, show of hands: how many people actually heard of Game and Watch before the character was added to the roster of Melee? Because I didn't. The games seemed reasonably popular back in the day and were Nintendo's first foray into handheld gaming, so I can definitely buy the argument for adding Mr. Game and Watch to Melee, which really seemed like a celebration of Nintendo's history. Plus, I think his creator had recently died during Melee's development, and Mr. Game and Watch was added to the game in tribute, so I can't argue with that.

Overall Rating: C. As Nintendo's first video game "star," Mr. Game and Watch earned his spot in Brawl, but he's still basically a walking, movable dead body outline and I've never played his games, so it's hard to care about him as a "character."

35. R.O.B.
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Game(s): Brawl; 17th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: R.O.B. actually isn't a video game character, but rather a peripheral for the Nintendo Entertainment System. He worked with two games named Gyromite and Stack-Up, neither of which I've ever played. However, his design is pretty cute in that clunky mid-80's technology sort of way. More recently, he also appeared as an unlockable character in Mario Kart DS.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Other than Wolf, R.O.B. was pretty much Brawl's only new character who wasn't spoiled on the Smash Bros. Dojo before the release of the game... and, needless to say, not many people were happy when they unlocked this thing and saw some obscure marketing ploy was added into the game over actual characters. This was perhaps Sakurai's worst mistake with Brawl: he revealed almost all of the new characters during the pre-release, and many of them were available from the start, leaving mostly veteran characters as the unlockables and causing people to complain that Brawl's roster sucked.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Since R.O.B. only supported two games, the Smash series basically had to come up with an entirely new moveset for him. He does have one special move that alludes to Gyromite, but apparently not one to Stack Up... at least not one that I found in the five minutes that I spent on Smashwiki and Youtube looking up R.O.B.'s moves. His moves work for his design.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: As Brawl's answer to Mr. Game and Watch as a quirky "nostalgic" character, R.O.B. seems out of his league for several reasons. Unlike Mr. Game and Watch, he isn't a video game character at all, but rather a flop of a peripheral that only supported two titles. For my own sanity, I like to pretend that R.O.B. was upgraded into R.O.B. 64 in the Star Fox series.

Overall Rating: C. R.O.B. has a very lovable design and his addition to the series wasn't entirely without merit, but he really doesn't belong in Smash Bros.

34. Princess Zelda
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Game(s): Melee, Brawl; 17th out of 25; 37th out of 38 (Zelda only)/23rd out of 38 (Zelda/Sheik)
What do I think of this character in her original series?: Honestly, a lot of what I said for Link holds true for Zelda. Zelda never seems to have much personality nor character and, as the "Wisdom" representative of the Triforce, her only role is to provide info dumps of exposition before getting captured. She has a bland but pretty design and there's really not a lot to say about her. Except that, again, people really overrate what isn't a particularly great character. What really annoys me is how people give Peach so much shit for being "useless" and perpetuating the "damsel in distress" stereotype, but how the hell is ZELDA any different? Her fighting abilities are even more non-existent than Peach's and she gets her ass captured a LOT despite being the "wisdom" chick, so WHATEVER.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Zelda actually used by my secondary main for the sole reason that she was a chick. And I never really bothered with Sheik because it always seemed a lot cooler to beat people up with magic. I originally remember reading that Sheik's specialty was supposed to be one-on-one combat while Zelda was better at crowd control, but I guess she wasn't that much better because she's mid-low tier while Sheik is top tier. I also think Zelda's scream when she gets knocked off the top of the screen is HILARIOUS. AI Zelda has a lot of annoying quirks, like spamming her sweep kick over and over again, though... and she's useless as HELL in that Event that pits AI Zelda and you as Link against Ganondorf.

How well did this character transition from her original series to Smash?: Like I said in my first paragraph, Zelda is worthless in her main series and her fighting style in Smash demonstrates why. Zelda has no moves of her own in Smash, except for being able to transform into Sheik, as all of her other Special Moves are spells that Link had to use in Ocarina of Time. In terms of giving the chick some special moves, Din's Fire, Nayru's Love and Farore's Wind all do the job just fine, but at least Peach came to the series with abilities that originate from games in which she is actually a playable character who kicks butt.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: In the sense that Zelda is her series' answer to Princess Peach and Smash really needed to add some women to the roster after the original game had only Samus... yes, Zelda's spot is deserved. They even got around the fact that the chick had no fighting ability in her true form.

Overall Rating: C. Zelda's implementation in Smash is fine but I am Peach fan true-and-true and it still annoys me that people bash my girl to praise this dumbass who can't even fend for herself without transforming into some alter ego (Sheik, Tetra) who magically gains the ability to fight.

33. Ganondorf
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Game(s): Melee, Brawl; Tiers: 10th out of 25; 38th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Ganondorf, like Sheik and adult Link, was apparently a creation that only came to life in Ocarina of Time. Before that, Ganondorf was "Ganon," a stupid looking deformed pig. Ganondorf represents the "Power" piece of the Triforce... which is fine since he's the villain.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: I'm mixed to negative about it. On one hand, Ganondorf's "A New Challenger Approaches" animation, as well as his official Melee artwork and win taunts, portray him as holding a sword that appears NOWHERE in the actual game. On the other hand, the sword characters don't really do much for me and I'm completely fine with not having another dude with a sword in the series. And then back on the first hand, Ganondorf is an inexplicable clone of Captain Falcon and Brawl did almost nothing to remedy this... in fact, he became the bottom tier character to boot.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Like I touched on in the previous section, the fact most of Ganondorf's moveset is jacked from Captain Falcon, who needed his own moves created on the fly in the original Smash Bros., is a pure WTF moment. He does fill the role as the Zelda series' slow power character in Smash but I seriously doubt Ganondorf, in any of his incarnations, uses Falcon Punch/Kick or air rape variations. Also, my friend used to speculate that one of the reasons why Melee was rated Teen is because Ganondorf basically thrusts his package into the camera when he taunts.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: The three representatives of the Triforce are the Zelda series' three essential characters. Like Mario, Peach and Bowser, you cannot have a game for Nintendo's All-Stars without having all three of Link, Zelda and Ganondorf. Plus, Ganondorf is probably the most notable Nintendo villain after Bowser, so his inclusion is justified.

Overall Rating: C. Ganondorf is easily my favorite of the Zelda's "main three" because his appearance (at least in his Ganondorf form) does actually convey a sense of style and personality, unlike Link and Zelda who couldn't be more generic if they tried. But, as I've already said, the fact that he's a clone of a completely unrelated character is just pathetic.

32. Pokemon Trainer
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Game(s): Brawl; 28th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: I'm not sure if Smash officially confirms it, but it's pretty obvious that "Pokemon Trainer" is really just a title for Red, the hero of Red, Blue, Yellow, FireRed and LeafGreen. And the same problem that I have with Link is the problem that I have with Red. Both are flat characters by design, as the creators want to provide the feeling that "you are the main character." And yet people in the Pokemon community overhype Red just as much as GameFAQs overhypes Link. There is nothing special about Red at ALL; he has no dialogue, no backstory and no personality. The fact that he just won the GPCT2 is quite honestly a joke to me, which explains the winner animation that confused all of the idiots on the site's Talkbacks, as the whole point of the video was to laugh at how these people had just voted for a guy who can only say "Yes," "No," and "... ... ... ... ... ... ..." to win a CHARACTER contest.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Actually, despite my apathy toward Red as a "character," his implementation is a really original idea. It's sort of like Zelda/Sheik but better because Pokemon's gameplay is BUILT around having different types of battlers whom you can switch between. Granted, it's Red's Pokemon that actually do the fighting, while he sits off on the sidelines, so he's really more of a generic title than an actual character in the Smash series.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: They nailed Red in Brawl. He's a completely humorless bore who relies on his Pokemon to do his battling for him, and that's pretty much how he and every other player character in the Pokemon series behaves.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: To have a character who could switch between a handful of Pokemon was a brilliant idea, as I said before, and if you have to pick one Trainer to use to incorporate this idea, it might as well be the original player character whom most people can identify. There's also the fact that Red is the closest there is a "main" character in the Pokemon series and, since Pokemon is one of Nintendo's "Big Three," having the series' protagonist in Smash is a no-brainer. However, one or two of Red's alternate costumes really should have been Leaf from FRLG. I mean, seriously. It's not like the Pokemon Trainer model in the background is anything other than an aesthetic change.

Overall Rating: C. Red and Link are essentially the same "character," except that Red has slightly less story and dialogue in exchange for a slightly less annoying design and originating from a much better series.

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Agh... I am not happy, sir.

Maybe it's just the fact that I grew up with Zelda. My dad still had the original nintendo system, and ALL the Zelda games (Go Dad!), but sadly we lost most of them over the years. But I can still remember playing some of them, and watching him play them. And Ocarina of Time, ah man. I grew up with that game, I remember waiting for my mom to fall asleep so I could sneak out of naptime and go play Ocarina of Time, and then some Mariokart. Lol, but this just angers me. Lol

I guess I can understand where you're coming from about them having not much of a background story, and being overrated, but I just really like the characters. The roles they play are just cool to me. As I said, the characters backgrounds were never really the focus of the whole thing, but the background of all of Hyrule and the other lands in general. And it has been said that in the new Zelda game, Skyward Sword, it's supposed to be ANOTHER prequel, taking place before Ocarina of Time. So maybe you'll get your damn background story then, ;D (I'm still mad that you just eliminated the rest of the Legend of Zelda characters in one post, THEY'RE CLASSIC)

And about "Pokemon Trainer" I love using him, even though I think his pokemon could've been a little wider variety, rather than just the popular ones, but whatever. It's still cool, the idea of it is amazing.

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Logged on and saw that the last of my three mains were eliminated. Cries tears. I love Link, and Sheik put them with Marth they are my most used characters in Brawl. Oh well that is the way it happens. Even though Link might not have a personality, I love the fact that he is a mute protagonist. It shows that a character doesn't need to talk to fulfill their role in the game. So I give Link much respect for that.

I always thought Sheik was into S&M and that is why they included the whip. Oh well there are still plenty of nostalgic characters left for you to rate Frost, and I can't wait to see where some of my old favorites land.

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Here is my opinion (warning bluntness ahead): The reason Red won the GPCT is because Red is the greatest POKEMON character. All real pokemon players know who Red is. So the fact that he won shouldn't be that much of a surprise. As for Sheik yeah its "considered" her male alter-ego its for story purposes since Link doesn't know its a girl. Sheik is a great character. R.O.B is awesome, I actually have an old R.O.B in my garage and its enjoyable from time to time. Link although never talking, kinda grasps the player because he's silent hero who already knows what to do. Not to mention he's a great character for the point that the player "becomes" him.

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How is Red the greatest Pokemon character when he isn't a character to begin with? He's a virtual manifestation of the player and he has no personality nor development. You need to have at least one of those two things to be considered a "character." Wally and Silver are very different characters at the start of their games than they are at the end of them. Red at the end of GSC is the exact same person as he is at the start of RBY, only with stronger Pokemon. And it's fine if a character doesn't change as long as he or she has a memorable personality, like Blue or that crackhead rival in DP, but Red lacks that as well. He is recognizable but that's it. How many people who aren't diehard Pokemon fans would even know the dude's name is "Red"?

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If Red is the greatest Pokemon trainer, then I am Mary Queen of Scotts. Link has at least a shred of personality with some facial expressions. Red however has none throughout the game. The trainers you encounter as Red throughout the game have more personality than him.

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Yeah, I didn't understand why Red one. I mean, he has absolutely no personality. And the fact that his dialog at the end is "..." is almost creepy to me, especially in that creepy pasta. I know if I just OWNED the so called "OMGZ KEWL POKEMANZ CHAMPION" and all I got was a blank stare I would be a little creeped out.

And Link does show personality through his smiles, and motions, but being silent is really mysterious, and pretty cool in its own way. he doesn't need to talk to kick ass. Also, Sheik IS Zeldas male alter-ego. She's not "considered", she is, just like Tetra in Wind Waker.

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Magikarps_Beast wrote:
he doesn't need to talk to kick ass.

Funny, isn't that what Red does??

While I'll agree that Red as a character sucks, I think he won because of a) sentimentality and b) his silence allows the player to get more into the game by putting their own reasoning for their ingame actions onto Red. If that made no sense, then basically, we could pretend to be the Pokemon Trainer, because Red's personality isn't defined. Those are really the only reasons why I chose Red over Lance.

Regarding the actual rankings:
I pretty much agree with everything so far, though I use Zelda and Sheik more often than Peach. Captain Falcon... I never understood why he was so popular, and probably never will. I mean, he's not Link; most of his fanbase comes from the SSMB games anyways, so that's always kinda been an enigma to me (i mean, let's face it: the F-Zero games suck). but i use Game and Watch and ROB a lot, so I was kinda sad to see them go so early. Maybe it's because ROB has such a tragic storyline in the Subspace Emissary, or because I just want to give him a hug, lol.

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Captain Falcon... I never understood why he was so popular, and probably never will. I mean, he's not Link; most of his fanbase comes from the SSMB games anyways, so that's always kinda been an enigma to me.

A lot of people like C. Falcon because they think he's "manly" in terms of his physical stature and his move set (kneeing someone at high speed in mid-air? I dare you to disagree at that being manly). Plus, he's a really fast heavy character, so his playstyle is interesting and difficult to grasp.

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(i mean, let's face it: the F-Zero games suck)

F-Zero games have a reputation for turning away racing fans due to its insanely high difficulty to master, but it's still a solid racing series that has graced multiple Nintendo platforms. In fact I'm shocked there hasn't been an F-Zero for Wii yet.

As for my opinions on Frost's most recent rankings, I'm okay with 'em. Sure I love the LoZ series, but the characters in them aren't too high on my video game character favorites list, let alone my Smash Bros character list. However, I would like to mention that Wind Waker had some nicely fleshed out characters for the series, primarily Zelda/Tetra.

To fill you in, Frost, Zelda disguised herself as Sheik to hide herself from Ganondorf, as he was trying to capture her for her piece of the Triforce. Near the end of the story, Sheik revealed herself as Zelda to Link, and at that moment Ganondorf captured her, since her cover was blown. Also, spoilers.

I too had hoped for alternate version characters for Pokemon Trainer alt costumes, especially Ruby/Sapphire's Brendan.

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Meh. Link and toon link are out. Now to route for Kirby!

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Yay, more rankings! Thank you, Frost ;__;

Wow, lots of The Legend of Zelda characters are out already.

I have mixed feelings towards this series of games. I've played through Ocarina of Time up to the Water Temple (until I got sick of browsing the internet for help where to find stuff) and Majora's Mask only up to the point where you get that Deku (is it what it's called?) mask. Maybe I'm slightly biased since I haven't played the other games, but from what I've experienced I can easily say I both like and hate the Zelda series. Aaand I've watched a playthrough of Twilight Princess, but I guess this doesn't really count...

Perhaps I'm just too impatient and stupid for these games. It's my fault really. I simply despise puzzles, so pretty much half the fun the games should provide is converted into pure frustration and anger. I love the action-adventure part, though, as well as the series main storyline, the settings and the characters's design, particularly from Twilight Princess. I only wish I could enjoy Zelda games in all their "glory" to purchase one, but the puzzle thingy is a real disappointment for me. Too bad.

That means I'm not very familiarized with the Zelda characters either, and I've only played Melee once or twice, so I can't say much about it. Also, I haven't played most of the games many of these characters represent, but I'll do my best.

I'm not a big fan of Toon Link and Young Link either, but that's mostly because we already have Link, and I personaly feel their spots could be used for either other Zelda characters or just other characters from different games. And Toon Link just looks disturbing to me.

I find Captain Falcon a funny character, but that's only because of the Subspace Emissary cutscenes, when he appears to help Olimar. I don't like the character himself, and I've never played his game (though I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like it anyway).

I love Wario, though. I love Wario in the Mario Kart series, and I sort of enjoy his game for the GBA (can't remember the name), but that's all I can say. I don't find him the best Smash Bros character, but even though the whole farting thing is disgusting and a bad joke, I think he's a funny weird-looking man, and I play with him in SSBB for giggles.

I used Pichu against my friend on the very few times I played Melee, but that was only for one round. The fact that Pichu hurts itself when using electric attacks is a very good idea, but since I'm a horrible, awful player, that didn't help me enjoy the game, so I had to drop him and go back to good ol' Pika.

I have no idea who Marth and Ike are, and I never felt like playing with either, not even for the sake of giving it a try. I don't fancy sword-characters either, and I didn't like to play with them in the Subspace Emissary, so to me they're a waste of space. Ike looks better, but they both kind of suck.

I can be a demented fangirl sometimes, so Link scores mid-to-high in my rankings due to the fact I find him gorgeous (the green tunic doesn't really help, I'll admit, but I like his garment in the very beginning of Twilight Princess, which I'd rather have other than an alternate tunic in SSBB). Gameplay-wise, though, he'd be mid or mid-to-low; I just don't work well with his moveset, which is a shame.

Zelda is an adorable lady, but I don't usually favor the more delicate characters. Ganondorf has some cool looks, but I'm not a fan of big/slow/GRR characters either. I just don't feel attracted to neither.

Now, Sheik is something else. This is where fangirl Galar comes out of the closet once more. I'm not going to delve further into the reasons why I love this guy/girl/whatever, but he/she is definetly in my top-tier. I do like the character's moveset, though I wish she'd be slightly slower and slightly stronger, but it's a-okay, she's fine the way she is. I have to admit the 90 degree running kind of creeps me out, but I always thought of it as intentional, to emphasise she has great ninja skills and can do some pretty weird contortionism, which is kind of helpful considering her main skills.

Pokemon Trainer is one of my favorite Brawl characters as well, and he seems to be good friends with Lucas too, so that's cool. I love Red precisely for his apparent non-existing solid background, no dialogues and all the creepypasta that involves him. I'm okay with him never saying a word; I actually think this makes him a lot more respectful, and mysterious, and scary, and I like that. However, even though it's pretty cool to have three Pokemon to chose from, I don't use him too often.

Until I made a research, I had no idea where R.O.B and Mr. Game & Watch came from. I never use them, never did, and probably never will.

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31. Wolf O'Donnell
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Game(s): Brawl; Tier: 22nd out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Wolf debuted in Star Fox 64 and, while the encounters with Star Wolf are annoying as HELL for new players, Wolf and his team were memorable additions to the series in their debut game. However, Wolf was absent from Star Fox Adventures and his role in Star Fox Assault was underwhelming at best... kind of like everything else about that game, actually. Like essentially the entire Star Fox series and its cast, Wolf was at his peak in Star Fox 64, which remains the series' one great game.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: My best adjective for Wolf in the Smash series would be "disappointing" for reasons that will be addressed in the proceeding two sections. I also think his Smash design is pretty awful. The Star Fox characters really do not translate well to Melee and Brawl's more "realistic" graphics, and Smash Wolf is easily uglier than Smash Fox or Smash Falco.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Like his Star Fox series counterparts, Wolf is rarely seen outside of his aircraft, so his hand-to-hand combat abilities had to be whipped up on the spot. In reality, they basically copied and pasted Fox's moveset to Wolf. For the most part, this doesn't bother me that much because the two are counterparts; however, the fact that the Landmaster is Wolf's Final Smash is completely stupid and nonsensical because the Landmaster is from the Star FOX team's arsenal and the Star Wolf team doesn't have a land rover equivalent.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: In a word - NO. Along with R.O.B., Wolf was the only new character in Brawl who wasn't spoiled on the Smash Dojo before the game's release and he was THE single most disappointing addition to the roster in my opinion. For one thing, Wolf is JUST ANOTHER CLONE! We already HAD Falco, who wasn't dropped or changed from Melee, so adding Wolf was perhaps the addition MOST at odds with Sakurai's "no clones" policy, and this is the same game that gave us TOON LINK. Plus, IF the Star Fox series deserved a third character, and I honestly think that its underwhelming history doesn't warrant a third slot, it should have been Krystal because she is one of the few remaining notable Nintendo female characters when Brawl added exactly ZERO women to the roster. And when you consider that Samus is STILL the only representation for Metroid, which is MUCH bigger in America than Star Fox, Wolf's inclusion is really stupid and shows that Sakurai pandered mostly to what Japanese players wanted when it came to representation for the different Nintendo series.

Overall Rating: C. Wolf has some style and is the obvious choice for a Star Fox series villain in the Smash series, but he's just another clone and is easily the least deserving character to debut in Brawl.

30. Lucas
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Game(s): Brawl; Tier: 30th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Lucas is the main protagonist of Mother 3, the third installment of the Earthbound series. However, Mother is pretty offbeat and, after Earthbound didn't perform well in the States, Nintendo didn't bother bringing Lucas' game overseas. Thus, I don't know anything about Lucas except that, since the Mother games are unrelated, he and Ness share a spell or two.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: I never used him when I played Brawl with the Psypoke staff members last year, and I don't think anybody else used him so that I could see him in action, either. So I'm pretty neutral about Lucas in all regards. I do think his design a little bit more interesting than Ness', though... maybe it's the platinum Elvis hair?

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: All of my knowledge about Lucas' moves comes from hearsay, so it's hard to make a verdict. Apparently his physical moves are different from Ness', which is good, but I dislike how he shares three special moves with Ness. However, I don't know what moves Lucas learns in Mother 3, so I'm not going to accuse Sakurai of intentionally making another clone here.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Mother is a strange case in that the games are popular in Japan but not America beyond its cult favorite status. If Brawl were geared for players outside of Japan, then Lucas obviously wouldn't be there; however, since the roster is created for Japan primarily and then the rest of the world at a distant second, I can't say he's undeserving.

Overall Rating: C. Lucas is probably the one Smash series character for whom I have the most neutral opinion. Never played his original game, never played as him or even saw him in action in Brawl, and I know virtually nothing about him, so he gets a middle-of-the-road placement in my rankings and a final grade reflective of that.

29. Ness
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Game(s): Vanilla, Melee and Brawl; Tier: 9th out of 12; 24th out of 26; 27th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: I'm definitely going to piss people off with this... but I don't "get" Earthbound. I gave it several chances to catch my interest and it always failed. I'm not saying it's a bad game or anything, but its cult following really overhypes how "great" it is. It's a quirky SNES RPG that bombed in America because typical American gamers want JRPGs that have teenagers with character development and swords (i.e., Final Fantasy) over a non-typical RPG that lampoons American suburbs and stars little kids with psychic powers and yo-yos (i.e., Mother). I'm not a fan of Earthbound's interface, and Ness as a character is pretty much a Link or a Red - a mute protagonist.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Ness, like Captain Falcon, was completely unknown to me when I unlocked him in the original Super Smash Bros. Since I was eleven at the time, he was also hard as HELL to unlock and his atypical third jump made him one of my least favorite characters to use. I do remember how GameFAQs acted like he was the best character in the game back in 1999, yet oddly enough he's considered 9th out of 12 today. Ness returned, even further nerfed, in Melee, and my worst memories of the entire game were trying to beat the Space Travellers Event in which you had to defeat Fox, Falco, Kirby, Samus and Falcon with one Ness life. I SUCK with Ness, so that was THE hardest Event for me and the last one I completed (besides Event 51, naturally).

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: As far as his regular moves go, they hit most of the right notes with Ness' Smash implementation, as he fights with his key weapons from Earthbound: his yo-yo and his baseball bat. He also has his main magic attack from Earthbound, PK Flash, in the Smash series... but the rest of his Special moves actually belonged to Paula and/or Poo in the original games, which is kind of lame. Ness had plenty of other attacks from Earthbound that they could have used before dipping into the movelist of other characters.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: In the American version, I would say no. Earthbound was the only installment of the series to receive an American release and it was a major flop. However, Sakurai worked on Smash as well as the Mother series and he understandably gears the Smash rosters toward Japanese audiences (despite claiming otherwise for some reason). Mother IS a hit in Japan, so Ness' spot is deserved in that sense.

Overall Rating: C+. I actually do like Ness for being quirky and different from the typical Nintendo hero. He might be a silent protagonist in a basic sense, but it actually works for him because his surrounding world in Earthbound is so surreal and satirical. Still, the Earthbound series doesn't do a whole lot for me and I generally don't like kids, so Ness couldn't go higher.

28. Charizard
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Game(s): Brawl; Tier: 28th out of 38 (tiered with Squirtle and Ivysaur as Pokemon Trainer)
What do I think of this character in his original series?: I already gave Charizard four paragraphs of coverage in my Pokemon ranking thread, which was the more than any other Pokemon except my top favorite. The tl;dr version: Charizard is a 7/10 Pokemon who has a good design, although it's one that isn't really my cup of tea. Still, because Charmander was my first Starter and people were batshit INSANE over Base Set Charizard back in the day, it has some nostalgic moments to me.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Even before Brawl came along, Charizard appeared as a Poke Ball Pokemon in Melee, so it's the only character in Smash who played an important in-game role before becoming a playable character. Like the other Pokemon characters, Charizard is rendered in simplified graphics compared to the rest of the Melee/Brawl cast - which is actually kind of a shame, especially in Charizard's case because it could look REALLY cool and scaly in Melee's graphics.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: In addition to the graphics, Charizard is pretty authentic to his appearances in the Pokemon series. He has his anime growls and two moves to represent his STAB types: Flamethrower and Fly. I do have to say that Rock Smash is an oddball choice for a side Special move, though, because it's a really weak move in the Pokemon series. I actually would have preferred if Charizard hurled the rock at his opponent and they called it "Rock Slide" even though that would be more on par with the Pokemon series' Rock Throw.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Charizard is easily one of the top two most popular Pokemon overall, with Pikachu being the other. And Pokemon is the second most important franchise to Nintendo after Mario. So the question isn't "Why did they add Charizard to Brawl?"; instead, it's more like, "Why did it take them until Brawl to add Charizard?"

Overall Rating: C+. As everybody should know if they read my rankings, Charizard is decent but not ~amazing~ in my opinion.

27. Roy
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Game(s): Melee; Tier: 19th out of 26
What do I think of this character in his original series?: As I've already said, I've never played Fire Emblem and it's not a series that's on the top of my list to play, at least not with so many other games to finish first. I am told Roy has only appeared in one game of that series so far, so... there's that, I guess.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: I actually do prefer Roy over Marth in Melee and, no, it's not because Flare Blade does 50% damage if your opponent is a drooling idiot who sits there invalid, allowing you to fully charge it. The reason I like Roy more is simply aesthetic - he doesn't look like a chick, and his hair is a realistic color, unlike Marth and Ike's BLUE. Also, I definitely would have preferred Roy returning to Brawl over a new clone of Marth from the latest Fire Emblem game debuting in Roy's place, but meh. I'm pretty apathetic to all three of them.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Again, I wouldn't know. But because Roy's moveset is essentially Marth's, and Melee predates the release of Roy's only game... I'm not optimistic.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Objectively, Roy is the most undeserving character to appear in the series, whether we're talking about American or Japanese release. This is because Melee was released before the sixth installment of Fire Emblem, in which Roy debuts. In the sense that NOBODY, regardless of country of origin, even KNEW WHO ROY WAS when Melee first came out, calling him one of "Nintendo's All-Stars" was an absolute joke. However, he was included to promote Fire Emblem 6, so at least he did have a purpose for being there, even if it clashed with the Smash series' M.O.

Overall Rating: C+. Out of the three Fire Emblem characters in Smash, Roy is probably the most popular with the casual fans. Due to his design, I also like him the most of the three, even though that's not saying a lot because they're all generic guys with swords to me. Still, at least Marth and Roy's inclusion in Melee got Fire Emblem games released in America... the Mother series can't say that much. >_>

26. Pit
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Game(s): Brawl; Tier: 18th out of 38
What do I think of this character in his original series?: I've only seen Kid Icarus one time: when I watched Registeel_Rocks beat the game when I met him last year. The game itself looked a lot like The Legend of Zelda or Metroid's NES installments, only with mythological elements. Pit himself was just another one of many silent Nintendo protagonists, but his design has far more cultural and historical flavor than the generic likes of Red or Link.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: He looks like a flying, Greek mythological version of Roy and he plays like a crazy sword character with Peach's horizontal recovery and the Ice Climbers' vertical recovery. Overall, he brings a pretty fresh design and fighting style to the series. And his Brawl redesign is WORLDS better than what his trophy looked like in Melee. Also, I find the Internet rumors interesting: they say that Pit was supposed to be in the original Smash, got cut, was supposed to be in Melee, got cut again for the Ice Climbers, and then finally got included in Brawl.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Since I only watched a friend play Kid Icarus one time and never played it myself, I'm not an expert on Pit's repertoire. But he gets good recovery from his wings and his bow and arrow are present, so he looks pretty accurate to me.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Like Mr. Game and Watch, Pit was created by Gunpei Yokoi, who died shortly before the release of Melee. Also, like the Ice Climbers, he is Brawl's "retro" hero - the protagonist of a long-forgotten Nintendo title who made the jump to the current generation of video games and was introduced to new audiences. In terms of notability, Pit had little to current gamers, but that was kind of the point of digging him up, and it resulted in a new Kid Icarus game being made after nearly two decades.

Overall Rating: C+. Pit's actually a pretty cool character. He has a nice new design and his fighting style seems pretty unique. I just can't put him any further at this time because I've played neither the original Kid Icarus nor as Pit in Brawl. I could see him jump up to mid-high in the rankings if I ever actually get Brawl, though.

25. Dr. Mario
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Game(s): Melee; Tier: 11th out of 26
What do I think of this character in his original series?: Dr. Mario is actually one of my favorite NES games, and I even like it more than Tetris. Since 2008, I've spent countless hours on virtualnes.com killing viruses in Dr. Mario because my professors' lectures were so boring in my computer classes. And, hey, Mario is always awesome regardless of whether or not he's a Doctor.

What do I think of this character in Smash?: Dr. Mario is really probably the most desperate addition of a clone character in Melee. At least with other cases, like Mario or Luigi or Pikachu and Pichu, the two characters are actually different entities that have storyline reasons for being similar. But Mario and Dr. Mario are the only case in which ONE character has TWO slots on the roster, even if there ARE a couple of move properties different between the two and Doc throws Megavitamins instead of Fireballs. Hilariously, Dr. Mario does actually trump regular Mario in Melee's tiers.

How well did this character transition from his original series to Smash?: Dr. Mario is Mario in a doctor costume and with a stethoscope and Megavitamins in both the game Dr. Mario and the Smash series. So, in other words, they nailed it.

Did this character deserve to be in the Smash series?: Dr. Mario is notable for being one of the first of many successful Mario spinoff games. But, at the end of the day, the fact that Dr. Mario got a spot over so many more deserving characters is a joke, and he was rightfully dropped from the roster for Brawl. But he still should have returned as an alternate costume for Mario, damn it!

Overall Rating: C+. Dr. Mario is probably the most unnecessary inclusion to the series, but the game itself and Mario as a character are both awesome.


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