What do u prefer honestly to tell u the truth I dont think Hydro Pump is all that bad becuase moves like Mega Horn, Cross Chop, Mega Punch, Blaze Kick, Fire Blast and Mega Kick also have poor accuracy but high Attack Power and everyone uses them but for some odd reason people always pick Surf over Hydro Pump even though Hydro Pump is clearly better so what about the Accuracy and PP being lower its definetly got less PP becuase its a better move right? Who agress with me plus if the Pokemon using Hydro Pump is faster than the Pokemon taking the damage then thats fine its most likely going to hit its mark successfully I've also seen people on these message Boards talking about Iron Tail as some sort of a suggested moveset and Iron Tail is even worse than Hydro Pump its got less accuracy and its weaker so will someone tell me why Hydro Pump is left out? Also look at it this way I was battling Bruno of the Elite Four right and I used surf with my on his it managed to survive it with its health meter at the red and then it owned me with its Earthquake aaargh so I restarted and faced him again only this time I used my and its Hydro Pump took out each of his Pokemon 1 by 1 talk about power huh? by the way my was level 70 and was 71 for those of u that think Hydro Pump is a bad move maybe this story will straiten it out for u thank you and have a good day also remember to use Hydro Pump

I say Surf over Hydro Pump cause I rather hit and do some damage then miss or hit and do alot. But if you have a pokemon with a realy high defense and special defence then use it. I also like surf more because i use it but i replaced hydro pump with Hydro Cannon....

I serously don't mind the lack of accuracy, but PP is a rather important consideration, so I still think Surf is better.

Even though all these moves you mensioned (Blaze Kick, Megahorn) are pretty inaccurate, they have higher PP than Hydro Pump.

so thats why I use PP up I always use PP ups on my lower PP moves or PP Max

Surf has 5x the PP and perfect Accuracy. Plus you'll do the same amount of damage as 5 Hydro Pumps in 7 Surfs...so in the end Surf is actually over 3x more powerful.

Surf only has 3x the PP (Surf= 15PP; H. Pump= 5PP)

Anyway...let's do the math...

Surf: 15PPx95BD= 1,425
H. Pump: 5PP=120BD= 600

1425 divided by 600.....

Surf will do about 237.5% damage, if H. Pump's damage was equal to 100%.

Looking at the base damage for a moment, let's say you attack your opponent ten times with hydro pump (you've used a PP max and they're a grass-type with recover ). Since its accuracy is only 80%, statistically speaking you'd hit them roughly 8 times out of ten, so you'd only actually be hitting them with 80% of the total base power you used in all ten attacks, so the average power for one such attack is as such:

Average power for hydro pump: 120(base power)*0.80(accuracy)= 96

And here's the same thing for surf:

Average power for surf: 95*1.00=95

Not much of a difference in the long run, eh? And since surf has three times the PP, it will average out to be more useful.

Surf definatly. It's much more reliable than Hydro Pump.

Fine thanks for your help everyone I guess I was wrong I'll teach surf instead

As an added bonus surf has a practical usage out of battle! Go surf!

Wow, can someone say "run-on sentence"?

I use Surf. Better PP, better accuracy makes all the difference when deciding whether a move is reliable or not. Same reason why Thunder, Zap Cannon, Blizzard, and all the OKHO moves aren't used.

Yes... run-on sentence.

... I said it.

Back on topic... I'd go for Surf all the way. Simple. More PP, Better accuracy, an HM move worth using :roll: , and because it hits both enemies in a 2 on 2.

The 2 on 2 bit is a worthy consideration, but bear in mind that the damage is halved for an attack that hits both.

I choose Surf. Looks nicer too.

For some reason I always think that Surf has 25 PP.

Even so, it's still a big advantage.

Ok I'm sorry so I have run on Sentences big deal so sue me are u guys like the Sentence Police or what? You sound just like my Teacher

P.S. Im in Grade 10 tho and u know what I have lack of Punctuation and I dont really care to

You're in grade ten and you still have run on sentances? Tisk tisk.

Anyway, Let's look at the pros and cons of surf, shall we?

Pros

Excellent accuracy
Plenty of PP
Extra use outside of battle
If there's a set that needs a water move it's surf
Reusable

Cons

None

...

Let's look at Hydro Pump, shall we?

Pros

High power

Cons

Low Accuracy
Horribble PP
Not a TM/HM so you could find more of it

My work here is done.

I think that we are 5506's Teachers...'cause we're schooling him LOL!



Tsk Tsk Indeed.

Don't hate me, but I had to vote for Hydro Pump because I play 2vs2 battles constantly, & Surf at 2/3 strength hitting both just doesn't give the power to eliminate any major threats to your team, nothing is worse than seeing an attack do inadequette damage. So I prefer Hydro Pump, even with a 20% chance to miss it is sometimes worth the risk.

Surf is less powerful but more likely to hit and (in double-battles) it hits both enemies. Hydro Pump isn't as accurate, but will leave the foe stuck against the wall with intensity!