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I use 65 guys in total (call me sad I don't care. I breed most of them :P) and i use the best from all tiers and others that I think are cool. When i decided to get a Machamp I got it cos i thought it was cool. But Machamp is a freaking POWERHOUSE! I so didn't expect it! I have used Alakazam since RBY and it still is a powerhouse. Most of the tier lists i agree with but WTF MEDICHAM AND STARAPTOR OU? That's the bit I don't get.... I use them both and trust me they do NOT belong in OU!

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WTF MEDICHAM AND STARAPTOR OU? That's the bit I don't get.... I use them both and trust me they do NOT belong in OU!


Where do you see them as OU? Every list I see says they're BL? (Though I personally thing Medicham could very well be OU)


Just as an FYI {alakazam} {aerodactyl} {kingdra} {ninjask} {porygon-z} are now all OU's according to the great smogon >.>

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MasterChef wrote:
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WTF MEDICHAM AND STARAPTOR OU? That's the bit I don't get.... I use them both and trust me they do NOT belong in OU!


Where do you see them as OU? Every list I see says they're BL? (Though I personally thing Medicham could very well be OU)


Just as an FYI {alakazam} {aerodactyl} {kingdra} {ninjask} {porygon-z} are now all OU's according to the great smogon >.>



Yeah lol I use all of them so me glad they back where they belong :P And on a list somehwere they were OU.

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Donphan was BL for one month on smogon too so you should add that to your list xD

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Quit the BL, Smogon is playtesting nUU. (New UU) They fused BL and UU, and they have been testing it for couple of months now.

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Well, that explains why I couldn't find a recent BL tier..... Are they just shaking up the vinaigrette that is BL/UU and skimming the pokes that come to the top into a new BL? or just making a mass tier that they know will be dominated by 20% of the said pokes?

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Mmm I wish more variety were put into OU. I see alot of Sandstorm pokes [as in they do not take damage from it]


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Heracrossfan1337 wrote:
Mmm I wish more variety were put into OU. I see alot of Sandstorm pokes [as in they do not take damage from it]


You are completely free to use BL and UU pokes in OU. If anything it's the most varied tier.

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Are they just shaking up the vinaigrette that is BL/UU and skimming the pokes that come to the top into a new BL?


Seems the first of the new BL Limbo tier has come up

Abomasnow
Crobat
Froslass
Gallade
Raikou
Staraptor

If someone here who frequents smogon can give the full-in on how Limbo is differing from BL and all that good info I'd like that.

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MasterChef wrote:
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Are they just shaking up the vinaigrette that is BL/UU and skimming the pokes that come to the top into a new BL?


Seems the first of the new BL Limbo tier has come up

Abomasnow
Crobat
Froslass
Gallade
Raikou
Staraptor

If someone here who frequents smogon can give the full-in on how Limbo is differing from BL and all that good info I'd like that.


From what I understand, Limbo is going to be what those 6 (and any more that are too strong for UU that pop up) are going to be called. For the moment, those six will get their own suspect testing (like what is happening to Latios atm), similar to what happened with Garchomp in the whole "is it uber or OU" thing. If the suspects are believed to be too strong for UU, they will be kicked out and the process will repeat itself.

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The new tier listing:

GO COPY/PASTE

Ubers

Arceus
Darkrai
Deoxys
Deoxys-A
Deoxys-D
Deoxys-S
Dialga
Garchomp
Giratina
Giratina-O
Groudon
Ho-oh
Kyogre
Latios
Lugia
Manaphy
Mew
Mewtwo
Palkia
Rayquaza
Shaymin-S
Wobbuffet
Wynaut


OU overused

Aerodactyl
Alakazam
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Empoleon
Flygon
Forretress
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Jolteon
Kingdra
Latias
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Mamoswine
Metagross
Ninjask
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Salamence
Scizor
Skarmory
Smeargle
Snorlax
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tentacruel
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Zapdos


Limbo/BL

Abomasnow
Crobat
Froslass
Gallade
Raikou
Staraptor


UU underused

Absol
Altaria
Ambipom
Arcanine
Azumarill
Blastoise
Blaziken
Chansey
Charizard
Claydol
Clefable
Drapion
Electrode
Espeon
Feraligatr
Gardevoir
Hariyama
Hitmonlee
Hitmontop
Honchkrow
Houndoom
Kabutops
Lanturn
Ludicolo
Magmortar
Mesprit
Milotic
Miltank
Mismagius
Moltres
Muk
Nidoking
Nidoqueen
Ninetales
Omastar
Poliwrath
Porygon2
Primeape
Regirock
Registeel
Roserade
Rotom
Sceptile
Scyther
Shaymin
Slowbro
Spiritomb
Steelix
Swellow
Torterra
Toxicroak
Typhlosion
Umbreon
Uxie
Venusaur
Weezing
Yanmega


NU neverused

Aggron
Ampharos
Arbok
Ariados
Armaldo
Articuno
Banette
Bastiodon
Beautifly
Beedrill
Bellossom
Bibarel
Butterfree
Cacturne
Camerupt
Carnivine
Castform
Chatot
Cherrim
Chimecho
Clamperl
Cloyster
Corsola
Cradily
Crawdaunt
Delcatty
Delibird
Dewgong
Ditto
Dodrio
Drifblim
Dunsparce
Dustox
Entei
Exeggutor
Exploud
Farfetch'd
Fearow
Flareon
Floatzel
Furret
Gastrodon
Girafarig
Glaceon
Glalie
Golduck
Golem
Gorebyss
Granbull
Grumpig
Hitmonchan
Huntail
Hypno
Illumise
Jumpluff
Jynx
Kangaskhan
Kecleon
Kingler
Kricketune
Lapras
Leafeon
Ledian
Lickilicky
Linoone
Lopunny
Lumineon
Lunatone
Luvdisc
Luxray
Magcargo
Manectric
Mantine
Marowak
Masquerain
Mawile
Medicham
Meganium
Mightyena
Minun
Mothim
Mr. Mime
Noctowl
Octillery
Pachirisu
Parasect
Pelipper
Persian
Phione
Pidgeot
Pikachu
Pinsir
Plusle
Politoed
Probopass
Purugly
Quagsire
Qwilfish
Raichu
Rampardos
Rapidash
Raticate
Regice
Regigigas
Relicanth
Sableye
Sandslash
Seaking
Seviper
Sharpedo
Shedinja
Shiftry
Shuckle
Skuntank
Slaking
Slowking
Solrock
Spinda
Stantler
Sudowoodo
Sunflora
Swalot
Tangrowth
Tauros
Torkoal
Trapinch
Tropius
Unown
Ursaring
Venomoth
Vespiquen
Victreebel
Vigoroth
Vileplume
Volbeat
Wailord
Walrein
Whiscash
Wigglytuff
Wormadam
Wormadam-G
Wormadam-S
Xatu
Zangoose

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I'm surprised nobody has started whining about things like "baww Articuno and Entei aren't NU!"

So I'm just going to cut the whining off before it even starts: NU is just a name. It doesn't mean Articuno and Entei are useless. It just means that nobody used them in OU, so they fell to UU. Then, nobody used them in UU either, so they fell to NU. And there's even the prospect that Smogon will rename the current NU metagame into the "Rarely Used" metagame and split the true sucky Pokemon off in the "new" Neverused tier.

(Protip: metagame and tier aren't synonymous.)


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The following pokemon should be tested together, to see if they balance out OU:
Deoxys-S
Garchomp
Latios
Manaphy


It is now being questioned as to whether Manaphy should have been marked uber to begin with.

Latios without Soul Dew is a frail sweeper.
Garchomp has more counters now with platinum, and is actually considered by some as inferior to Salamence with its Dragon Dance/Outrage/Roost/Filler - Sala can recover damage, lose an ice weakness for a turn, and then pounce right back up. The analysis itself even states that Sala's sets are not entirely counterable, even when you know the moves. This is why Garchy was banned. This is why Deoxys was banned. But at least Deoxys was counterable by a number of Pokemon (or at least scared).

If we unleash all but the most feared ubers, then it can be determined who is too powerful, who is not. Even if Garchomp is rebanned, Sala may very well be banned as well.


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Yeah but they're just preventing from 2 people sending out Wobbuffet sice it learns no real moves and have that Shadow Tag ability. I mean really.. imagine 2 Wobbys fighting each other funny.. but dumb. Kinda like Ash Vs Samurai with their 2 Metapods.

Ash "Metapod HARDEN!"
Samurai "Metapod Harden back!"
Ash "Metapod EXTREME HARDNESS!!"


Not as bad as Ditto v Ditto, or 2 Smeargles that know only Sketch, or a battle with only Ditto(s) and Smeargle(s).

Ditto: Transform (into Smeargle)
Smeargle: Sketch (Transform)
Ditto: Sketch (transform)
Smeargle: Transform (into Ditto, possibly knowing Sketch or Transform???)

That would be weird.


By the way, Aggron is NOT NU! She's my partner on Emerald, and is my surfing pokemon!
P.S. "baww Articuno and Entei aren't NU!"

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Charizard is on the underused list, fail :(.

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Charizard is on the underused list, fail :(.


I agree, Charizard should be a OU not UU. He owns. XP

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Yeah, having blah defenses and a horrible typing that eats 50% of Charizard's health from Stealth Rock really makes it OU-caliber.


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Yeah, I forgot defense; Blaziken is a lot better in some ways, but it can't learn any dragon moves and isn't dragon-like.

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imhappyplz wrote:
also Typhlosion = underused? Typhlosion is a Fire Type dream.


Typhosion has the exact same stats as Charizard, Albet it's not fire/flying. However Charizard's better movepool and EQ/Spikes immunity makes up the difference.

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I havn't tried out Charzard yet. THE SECOND GENERATION 4 LYFE


*high-fives* Jhoto is so cool! Too bad there's not one that doesn't save on a bettery. My friend gave me Gold for my birthday last year and it doesn't save. I bet the secong gym leader last time I played it, man it's so easy to beat her in 3 hours of play. That's why I'm glad I got a Cyndaquil on Diamond.
Are all Fire-type beginners of the same stats? Blaziken is Fighting-type, so is infernape (but Blaziken can learn soe Flying moves, the more bird like, similar to Empoleon). I'd think Blaziken was better because of its second type.

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I'm using a couple NU Pokemon and a couple UU pokemon. Is this bad? ._.

i.e. Luxray, Houndoom, Lopunny

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khoufu wrote:

Are all Fire-type beginners of the same stats?


Just Charizard and Typhosion.

LeoTheLion wrote:
I'm using a couple NU Pokemon and a couple UU pokemon. Is this bad? ._.

i.e. Luxray, Houndoom, Lopunny


Not really, OU pokes are in general the strongest and/or have the best strategies. But UU and NU pokes do have their metrits and strengths.

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MasterChef wrote:
LeoTheLion wrote:
I'm using a couple NU Pokemon and a couple UU pokemon. Is this bad? ._.

i.e. Luxray, Houndoom, Lopunny


Not really, OU pokes are in general the strongest and/or have the best strategies. But UU and NU pokes do have their metrits and strengths.


The Fire user in the E4 on D/P uses a Lopunny, and it can pwn certain pokemon, despite its normal-type-ness. I use Luxray as a Main on Pearl, and Houndoom pwns because it's Fire-type AND dark, awesomeness, so it could pwn a grass-psychic pokemon any day (if they exist). I use a lot of UU and NU pokemon, too.

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The Fire user in the E4 on D/P uses a Lopunny, and it can pwn certain pokemon, despite its normal-type-ness.


What does that have to do with ANYTHING?!?! in-game =/= competitive

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khoufu wrote:


and Houndoom pwns because it's Fire-type AND dark, awesomeness, so it could pwn a grass-psychic pokemon any day (if they exist).


In competitive play typing plays such a secondary role, what really matters in competitive play is raw stats and move pools, then typing comes into play after such consideration. I mean depending on which set each pokemon are using Infernape will always go before Houndoom due to a higher base speed, and Infernape will always crush Houndoom because of its higher speed and its access to Close Combat which is a 120 Base Power plus STAB plus Super Effective against Houndoom. As for the Psychic/Grass pokemon have you ever heard of {celebi}?

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