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Brick Break or Close Combat
Brick Break or Close Combat
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Sav
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun Feb 18, 2007 11:31 am Posts: 86 Location: England
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I have the following gallade:
@ Scope Lens
Adament
Leaf Blade
Night Slash
Psycho Cut
Brick Break/Close Combat
I am wondering which of the two fighting moves would be better for him?
If it helps any one decide, he happens to have the one the best possible DVs for speed
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Last edited by Sav on Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:36 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:39 am |
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welcomkanna
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:46 am Posts: 89
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 7:49 am |
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Alkhazor
Ace Trainer
Joined: Mon Dec 04, 2006 5:10 pm Posts: 421 Location: Somewhere under the rainbow.
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Gallades to frail in the first place. Using a close combat to lower his defenses is the equivalent of a blissey using superpower to lower its attack. So unfortunately for you, its all preferance. If you have another bric breaker on your team though, go with close combat for sure. gallade isnt that strong, so the extra attack helps it.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:53 am |
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FaceLess
Ace Trainer
Joined: Tue Apr 17, 2007 7:59 pm Posts: 399
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I'd almost always say close combat, but Gallade actually does have good special defense so it's a little less valuable.
Also, if he were faster by just a bit, he'd be excellent with choice scarf.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:23 am |
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Case
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sun Aug 12, 2007 3:38 pm Posts: 55 Location: Pennsylvania
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FaceLess wrote: Also, if he were faster by just a bit, he'd be excellent with choice scarf.
Without Choice Scarf he really can't do much though.
Heracross has only slightly faster base Speed. Granted its movepool is a bit better too, but Choice Scarf is still a decent option on Gallade since it simply can't use Swords Dance effectively.
As for Close Combat vs. Brick Break, I'd probably use Close Combat because you will rarely get a free turn to use Swords Dance so you might as well do as much damage on a single turn as possible and switch out the next. Not the most effective strategy with Spikes and Stealth Rock being so popular now, but Gallade isn't the most effective pokemon.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:47 am |
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Yoshipal13
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Mar 26, 2007 1:20 pm Posts: 147 Location: RI
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Brick Break seems better to me.
Gallade isn't exactly fragile (115 bae SpDef), so it'd probably not be worth it to lower his defenses.
Whereas with someone like Infernape, they will get OHKO'd most likely whether their defenses get lowered or not.
And Gallade has great attack, so you won't take much of a loss with BB.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 12:09 pm |
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yanmafan
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:32 am Posts: 74 Location: Michigan
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Gallade wont do much with that set unless u bp an agility to him. High dv's or not. especially with adamant. the only exception i guess is switching him in against a special sweeper or tank, but i still think faster sweepers are better than ones with defense in one stat. [IMHO]
Edit: sorry that wasnt most constuctive post ever.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 2:16 pm |
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ShadowTyranitar
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 5:12 pm Posts: 214 Location: Realgam Tower
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For Gallade, probably Brick Break, since it's got some nice Sp Def. Would be a shame to lower that. For other sweepers, I'd say Close Combat, since sweepers wouldn't be able to take hits anyway.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 4:33 pm |
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imsmexy
Bug Catcher
Joined: Mon Aug 20, 2007 4:26 pm Posts: 13
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CLOSE COMBAT!!! also use thunderwave > leaf blade since gallade is so slow.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:00 pm |
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Peanut-Lover
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Joined: Wed Jul 05, 2006 10:32 am Posts: 1917 Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Close Combat is good for hit and run type pokemon.
If your Gallade is there for staying, and not using a choice item, I'd go with Brick Break. The defense is bad, but not terrible. It could take a few hits (maybe) and certainly several special ones (Base 115 SDef).
And, depending on the other pokemon in your team, I'd go with neither - Stone Edge is quite nice. The increased critical ratio is certainly good.
While the fighting move is sort of highly recommended, it isn't absolutely necessary.
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 5:35 pm |
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falchion22
Bug Catcher
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 6:54 pm Posts: 17
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I do think you should change your moveset around a bit. 80 speed base means Gallade is required to C-scarf to sweep, and there are plenty of other better scarfers out there. Gallade has a nice sp def and access to thunderwave, hypnosis and will o wisp. You should consider using him as a support poke and not a full sweeper.
If u were to go with support, I'd suggest you go with Close Combat still, as it will likely OHKO on a super effective, in which case u'd have to switch out anyway on their revenge killer. Besides, Close Combat takes advantage of Gallade's lackluster speed, as if you (somehow) fail to OHKO, you'll have most likely gone second and thus not have been exposed to a hit right after the defense drop, giving you the chance to switch out (be careful of pursuit).
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Thu Sep 06, 2007 6:37 pm |
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Uros
Bug Catcher
Joined: Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:37 pm Posts: 23 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
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brick break is better than close combat.Closecombat lowers defense and sp defense
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Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:27 pm |
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bjk_personal
Bug Catcher
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2007 1:03 pm Posts: 9
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Sav wrote: I have the following gallade:
@ Scope Lens
Adament
Leaf Blade
Night Slash
Psycho Cut
Brick Break/Close Combat
I am wondering which of the two fighting moves would be better for him?
If it helps any one decide, he happens to have the one the best possible DVs for speed
I would say Close Combat, because Gallade has 125 Attack, but only 65 Defense. Now, there is an advantage, because he's weak to only flying and ghost. The most common ghost moves are Ominous Wind and Shadow Ball, and if any Flying move hits you, you're done for. Actually, if almost any stacked Physical move hits you, it's going to be a OHKO. You're best off actually having him know Close Combat with the held item being a Focus Sash, because with D+P's distinctions for which type of attack it is [Physical or Special], a Dusknoir's Shadow Sneak might actually take you out. You're best off counting your losses by building up ATK and SPD, because Gallade's sole purpose is the strongest Physical Psychic attack in the game, much like Gardevoir having the strongest planned Dream Eater [even though Gengar has 135 SP. ATK compared to Gardevoir's 125, Gardevoir gets STAB]. Neither of them are very useful, but I will say that I do personally like Gallade, so I guess that's why you started this thread in the first place. Bottom line, either pair Close Combat and Focus Sash, or rough it with Brick Break, putting EVs in Defense, accompanied by a good Defense nature.
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Minato4325
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Wed Sep 12, 2007 3:34 pm Posts: 91 Location: The world that feeds the world
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Go with Brick Break. Close Combat lowers defence and leaves you vaunerable if the target survives. Espescially if your pokemon has low Def. and Sp. Def.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:25 pm |
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Taser
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Joined: Sun Apr 22, 2007 3:51 pm Posts: 256 Location: On the back of a stampeding Tauros squealing, "WHEEE!"
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Not many standard sweeping threats that would go up against Gallade, would survive a super-effective (or possibly STAB'd, normal damage) attack from a max. attack Gallade (383). You guys are talking about "well, what if you lower your defenses and the opponent survives your attack? Go with Brick Break!"
The fact is that if he DOES use Brick Break, the opponent has a higher chance of surviving, at which point Gallade will promptly die to a super-effective attack, even with its defense at the normal level. Close Combat will destroy most things that will come in its path. Besides, as stated before, Gallade is best off with Scarf, meaning at some point you'll have to switch, so you'll switch out of that defense drop anyway.
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:39 pm |
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froggy_00
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Jul 02, 2007 8:46 am Posts: 114 Location: Trying to find a shiny with the Pokeradar
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Taser wrote: Not many standard sweeping threats that would go up against Gallade, would survive a super-effective (or possibly STAB'd, normal damage) attack from a max. attack Gallade (383). You guys are talking about "well, what if you lower your defenses and the opponent survives your attack? Go with Brick Break!"
The fact is that if he DOES use Brick Break, the opponent has a higher chance of surviving, at which point Gallade will promptly die to a super-effective attack, even with its defense at the normal level. Close Combat will destroy most things that will come in its path. Besides, as stated before, Gallade is best off with Scarf, meaning at some point you'll have to switch, so you'll switch out of that defense drop anyway.
Yes very good point. Gallade isn't built to stay in long, so might as well put Close Combat, KO the PKMN and swicth out (takes out defense loss as Taser said).
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Fri Sep 28, 2007 7:46 pm |
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psynvrn
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Mon Jul 09, 2007 1:05 am Posts: 199 Location: Indonesia
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How much is your 's level? If your is low-leveled use close combat, it'll KO your opponent more easily than Brick Break. But if your is at high level, brick break is enough for fainting opponent's pokemon.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 4:49 am |
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Gnaaye
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Thu Sep 21, 2006 11:22 am Posts: 815
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psynvrn wrote: How much is your 's level? If your is low-leveled use close combat, it'll KO your opponent more easily than Brick Break. But if your is at high level, brick break is enough for fainting opponent's pokemon.
He's asking for competitive battling, psynvrn.
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MissingNo_Is_My_Friend
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Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:17 am Posts: 360 Location: Somewhere between Life and Afterlife
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Gnaaye wrote: psynvrn wrote: How much is your 's level? If your is low-leveled use close combat, it'll KO your opponent more easily than Brick Break. But if your is at high level, brick break is enough for fainting opponent's pokemon.
He's asking for competitive battling, psynvrn.
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That burn's gotta hurt.
But seriously, since Gallade's probably going down anyway, why not lower the Defenses and go for more damage? There's no such thing as overkill in Pokemon.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:45 am |
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thekiller0703
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pm Posts: 693 Location: On the left side of the street... Take THAT Society!
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GYRADOS vs. MAGIKARP
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Giga Impact!
Magikarp lost 99999999999999% HP!
Magikarp fainted!!!
^Overkill^
But, seriously, go with Close Combat all the way.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:23 am |
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MissingNo_Is_My_Friend
Ace Trainer
Joined: Thu Jun 28, 2007 1:17 am Posts: 360 Location: Somewhere between Life and Afterlife
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thekiller0703 wrote: GYRADOS vs. MAGIKARP
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Giga Impact!
Magikarp lost 99999999999999% HP!
Magikarp fainted!!!
^Overkill^
But, seriously, go with Close Combat all the way.
No, no overkill. That's teaching somebody not to bring Magikarp to a battle.
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Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:28 am |
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ShadowTyranitar
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 5:12 pm Posts: 214 Location: Realgam Tower
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MissingNo_Is_My_Friend wrote: thekiller0703 wrote: GYRADOS vs. MAGIKARP
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Giga Impact!
Magikarp lost 99999999999999% HP!
Magikarp fainted!!!
^Overkill^
But, seriously, go with Close Combat all the way.
No, no overkill. That's teaching somebody not to bring Magikarp to a battle. Yes, that's overkill.
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