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I need to find the fastest boltbeamer in the game. I tried looking in the psydex, but I still can't tell which ones better.

Also, I woul'd like to know the strongest bolt beamer in the game.

compared to the highest sp.def in the game. I need one for my team and if it's not perfect, death may loom on the horizon. (Ok, I made that last part up, but I really need a boltbeamer for my team.)

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Well Starmie is the fastest, I believe, but Porygon-Z is the most powerful. I'd go with Porygon-Z because of the Potential Hyper Beam it has, lets just say it totals at 844 Base Power (GODLY) lol. Also dont give into the peer pressure about using Tri Attack on porygon-Z, it is a horrible move and does not do justice to that pokemon. Also Pory can learn shadow ball.


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I agree Porygon-Z is the strongest boltbeamer in the game. But Starmie
is the fastest and pulls it off great.

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Well Starmie is the fastest, I believe, but Porygon-Z is the most powerful. I'd go with Porygon-Z because of the Potential Hyper Beam it has, lets just say it totals at 844 Base Power (GODLY) lol. Also dont give into the peer pressure about using Tri Attack on porygon-Z, it is a horrible move and does not do justice to that pokemon. Also Pory can learn shadow ball.


Hyper Beam is EPIC FAIL. Skipping an attack, especially after an attack with a 10% miss chance, is going to get you murdered in a competitive environment.

I'd like to know where the heck you're getting that 844 Base Power number from, as the most it would have is 300, and that's with STAB and Adaptability.

Adaptability + Tri-Attack = 160 with Stab attack with chances of three different status effects, and with 100% accuracy, compared to

Adaptability + Hyper Beam = 300 with STAB, 10% chance of missing, and forfeit your next turn.

If you're going to spend two turns, I'd rather have a 100% chance of hitting for 320, rather then a 90% chance of hitting for 300.

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Porygon-Z. Nuff said.

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Well he is also counting Base Special attack, Nature, And IV's and EV's.
I would go with Porygon-Z It isn't as fast as starmie but Own's it because...
Porygon-Z is only weak to fighting, Starmie is weak to Dark, Bug, Ghost, Grass, and Electric.
While Starmie does get stab for Water and Psychic moves Porygon-Z Has Nasty plot, raising it's already super high special attack, makeing it crippling
AND it is Immune to Ghost types.
But it is your game you decide


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I'd pick porygon-z but i highly favor both.


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I would pick the pory-z its a good but Starmie has the speed :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:

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Don't listen to Classick....Hyper Beam is only 450 Base Power max on Porygon-Z.

150 X 2 for Adaptability x 1.5 STAB = 450. Then you have to recharge, so it's basically only 225 BP.

Tri-Attack is 80 x 2 x 1.5 = 240. Hey, what do you know...it beats out Hyper Beam. Plus it can Burn, Freeze or Paralyze.

Besides, Porygon-Z is at its best with a Choice Scarf on, so you're not going to be Hyper Beaming with the Choice Scarf on. That's just plain retarded.

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Yoshipal13 wrote:
Don't listen to Classick... Hyper Beam is only 450 Base Power max on Porygon-Z.

You make it sound like it's low. Actually, according to Psypoke's damage calculator, A P-Z with max SA does over 360 damage to a max SD-HP Bliss if it criticals. That's enough for a 2HKO.

To stay on-topic: Pick.

Regice/Blissey/Lapras/Dragonite/Lanturn/Tyranitar/PorygonZ/Froslass/Starmie.

All can pull off the combo and all pretty good at it IMO. Funny how I spoiled the topic and listed all the possible choices, lol.

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Yoshipal13 wrote:
Don't listen to Classick....Hyper Beam is only 450 Base Power max on Porygon-Z.

150 X 2 for Adaptability x 1.5 STAB = 450. Then you have to recharge, so it's basically only 225 BP.

Tri-Attack is 80 x 2 x 1.5 = 240. Hey, what do you know...it beats out Hyper Beam. Plus it can Burn, Freeze or Paralyze.

Besides, Porygon-Z is at its best with a Choice Scarf on, so you're not going to be Hyper Beaming with the Choice Scarf on. That's just plain retarded.

Incorrect. Adaptability increases the STAB bonus to 2x. It doesn't add an extra 2x bonus.

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Damnit, I was just going to point that out.

And the reason why some people use hyper beam over tri attack is Porygon's fragility; sure, maybe in 2 turns tri attack does more damage than 1 hyper beam, but porygon is not likely to survive the 2 turns.

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then use porygon2. with Trace/more defense, he could still boltbeam very good.


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Porygon-Z! He is the incarnation of powah! Seriously, whatever boltbeam is exactly, it sounds like a special attack, and that's all Porygon-Z, man!

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Boltbeam refers to a moveset with Thunderbolt and Ice Beam on it. This combination does at least neutral damage to every Pokemon except Lanturn with Volt Absorb, Magnezone, and Shedinja.

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Eldred Fireax wrote:
Boltbeam refers to a moveset with Thunderbolt and Ice Beam on it. This combination does at least neutral damage to every Pokemon except Lanturn with Volt Absorb, Magnezone, and Shedinja.


LOL I remember when I didn't know what it was... Ahh those were the days......

Starmie's not getting enough love here. What happens when your last guy is CB Porygon-Z and the other guy has a ghost or fighting type??? Go for the kill, right?

Well, you've got nothing! A Wise Glasses Starmie can OHKO any fighting type with Psychic, and a STAB-boosted Surf will take care of the ghosties.

Your Choice Banded PG-Z will be lucky if the enemy fighting-type is OHKO'd after Hyper Beam or Tri-Attack, and you have no chance using either move on any ghost-type.


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Eldred Fireax wrote:
Yoshipal13 wrote:
Don't listen to Classick....Hyper Beam is only 450 Base Power max on Porygon-Z.

150 X 2 for Adaptability x 1.5 STAB = 450. Then you have to recharge, so it's basically only 225 BP.

Tri-Attack is 80 x 2 x 1.5 = 240. Hey, what do you know...it beats out Hyper Beam. Plus it can Burn, Freeze or Paralyze.

Besides, Porygon-Z is at its best with a Choice Scarf on, so you're not going to be Hyper Beaming with the Choice Scarf on. That's just plain retarded.

Incorrect. Adaptability increases the STAB bonus to 2x. It doesn't add an extra 2x bonus.


Oh, ****. You're right. I knew that too. >_>


So Hyper Beam is actually 300 BP, and Tri-Attack is 160.

Different numbers, but the basis of what I said still stands.


Where the hell did Classick get 844 from?

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i think he means base damage
u still left out the life orb
still the point of hyperbeam is to 1hko in desperation or to cleanm out a blissey, and i dont know if porygon can withstand more than 2 hits, so i agree w/ classick, here's why
turn 1:
porygon z 1hko's w/ hyperbeam, opponent doesnt get to attack
they send poke, get ONE attack
u attack and hopefuly 1hko them again, dont matter what happens to pz

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Who says he has a Life Orb? Choice Scarf Z is much better. Nasty Plot Porygon-Z is a joke. It's just too slow and fragile to handle itself.

Base Damage? There's no such thing.

Porygon-Z needs to be faster, which is what Choice Scarf is for. After that one Hyper Beam kill, assuming they don't have Focus Sash on, you get one kill. The next person can then send in something that resists normal, and can then punish Porygon-Z.


It just isn't worth it.

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Gnaaye wrote:
Yoshipal13 wrote:
Don't listen to Classick... Hyper Beam is only 450 Base Power max on Porygon-Z.

You make it sound like it's low. Actually, according to Psypoke's damage calculator, A P-Z with max SA does over 360 damage to a max SD-HP Bliss if it criticals. That's enough for a 2HKO.

To stay on-topic: Pick.

Regice/Blissey/Lapras/Dragonite/Lanturn/Tyranitar/PorygonZ/Froslass/Starmie.

All can pull off the combo and all pretty good at it IMO. Funny how I spoiled the topic and listed all the possible choices, lol.
Did you even listen to yourself? Hyper beam recharges, not only will bliss soft boil the damage away, but she'd do it After paralyzing you. The only times I've seen a hyper beam used like that, it knocked out a pokemon and I just used the extra turn to sword dance with my next poke. Or it hit my focus sash pokemon which also powered up, both instances hyperbeaming One of my pokemon to death cost the opponent 3-4 pokemon.

Also back to on topic, Porygon-Z is dangerous with choice scarf, and can really mess up teams that need to be faster, But for just solid bolt beaming, you need to go with the tried and true, always OU Starmie with life orb.

Porygon does have other options though, adaptability with Return is often used in case of blissey, on non scarf of course. You don't even need to use Adaptability if you need to free up the slot, switch in on shadow ball to download from the special sweeper and agility up or something.

And no one seems to have gotten the base power for the hyper beam right anyway, it's actually still 150. Stab, which goes from x1.5 to x2.0 with adaptability comes near the end of damage calculation way past BP which happens at the very beginning, Which means some steel or rock types can pretty much just tank it and get a free turn.


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