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Links to originals?


Thu May 31, 2007 9:58 pm
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The topic in which I posted the Cresselia set has been purged on GameFAQs (meaning it hadn't gotten any replies for a few days, and thus it was deleted off the board), so I don't have proof on that. Of course you can choose to disbelieve me because of this, I can understand that, but I don't say things wihtout having a reason for them and I'm not a troll that's looking for attention.
Although it probably doesn't mean much, I assure you that I am not lying.

There is ony way to obtain proof though: if you know a guy called BigWorldJust (he visits GameFAQs as well), you can ask him for proof. I sent him the Cresselia moveset a few days ago, so he can confirm I made the exact same one, only earlier.

About the smogon sets:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread ... =salamence

Look at the first set posted there, it's the exact same one, with the exact same discription.

As for Tangrowth:
http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread ... =Tangrowth

Again, look at the first set.


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For the Qwilfish, Drapion, and Toxicraok sets, why is Black Sludge not listed for an item?

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I like this guide. Although mines better 8-) Nah ours are about the same :D


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Slowking and Infernape both benefit from Slack Off yet it has not been included in their movesets, you probably missed it since their pre forms learn it but they themselves don't, the same way that Staryu learns Power Gem which could be / on the Starmie set (even though there is enough /'s there already lol).

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Lucario @ Razor Claw/Scope Lens/Life Orb/Choice Band/Leftovers/Choice Scarf
Jolly/Adamant, Inner Focus/Steadfast
6 HP / 252 Atk. / 252 Spd.

Cross Chop
Blaze Kick
Shadow Claw
Stone Edge

- The "Criticario" set. It works better than the Crtiken or Criticape sets.

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how long did it take you to make that whole chart thing

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Hi, I have the cherish ball darkrai, cloned him several times, and was wondering id you ever planned on putting up either a time roaring OHKO oriented darkrai or a...critikrai with spacial rend...(loi, critikrai)

IMHO, I would have something similar to:

Darkrai @ scope lens/somthing that could increase time roars power
timid/modest @ bad dreams

Spacial rend/roar of time
Calm mind
Dark void
Dark pulse/ice beam/thunderbolt

or somthing. Off the top of my head. Just thought I would mention it. Ill go away now. (dont quote this just in case I decide its embarrassing and edit it into nothing.)

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Various updates have been made, and most previous things have been considered. Most of the explanations can be found in the guide itself however.

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I have great set for Alakazam. Here it is.

Alakazam @ Choice Specs/Leftovers
Timid, Synchronize/Inner Focus
6 HP / 252 Spd. / 252 SA

Psychic
Trick/Charge Beam
Shadow Ball
Focus Blast

- I know the EV spread and possible items were posted already, but the "Trickazam" strategy wasn't posted yet. Alakazam has used Trick in the past w/ Choice Band, but now it could use it with Choice Specs. It won't hurt Alakazam too much because it has above average SD, plus the Choice Specs used with any of the special moves above can equal trouble for the opponent. Instead of trick, Alakazam can use Charge Beam to cause damage and raise its SA at the same time. Only use Charge Beam w/ Leftovers and Trick w/ Choice Specs though.

Also, I have a set for Charizard too.

Charizard @ Leftovers/Heat Rock
Timid, Blaze
6 HP / 252 Spd. / 252 SA

Flamethrower
Air Slash
Solarbeam
Sunny Day

- I know a special set was posted for Charizard already, but the Sunny Day + Solarbeam combo wasn't posted yet, and it could work. Sunny Day disables any water types, and Solarbeam KOs or 2HKOs them.

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Alakazam's moveset has been edited slightly to reflect Trick. Charge Beam is not there because it is useless if compared to Calm Mind. Calm Mind raises the same amount of Special Attack always, and even raises Special Defense. Charge Beam has 90% accuracy and a 70% chance of raising Special Attack after that. The small damage bonus is just not worth it. This is like comparing Screech to Rock Smash.

As for Charizard...
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There are also some strategies that have been omitted from the guide just because they’re common and easy to use for most Pokemon. One example would be the Sunny Day + Solarbeam combo, which is a common duo among most Grass Pokemon’s move pools and even some other Pokemon, like Xatu.

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When I look at it, the bonus from Charge Beam really isn't worth it. It's really just a filler move (ex: on Jolteon), when there are no other moves to really give the pokemon. IT does come in handy for pokemon which can't raise their special attack with a move like Calm Mind though, on certain occasions.

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How does this look as an alternative toxi-trapping bronzong?

Bronzong @ Leftovers
Adamant/Brave, Heatproof
6 Atk/252 Def/252 SpDef

~ Block
~ Heal Block
~ Toxic/Sandstorm
~ Earthquake

Block traps your opponent before you use toxic and heal block to take health away and prevent aromatherapy and rest. Heatproof is for the surprise element since most people would expect levizong. Sandstorm would be an alternative for snorlax.


I've edited the moveset a little; thanks.

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you messed up special sweeper magmotar,
should be 252 atk. evs, not sp. atk.

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{Yanmega} w/Life Orb or Lefties
Modest
252 Sp. Atk, 129 Spd, 129 HP

Protect
Bug Buzz
Air Slash
HP Fire/HP Ground/HP whatever

Protect and sweep, very simple. I think it's at least 4 stars.

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Rampardos @ Leftovers/Shell Bell
Adamant | Mold Breaker
252 Atk, 252 Spd, 6 HP
~Rock Polish
~Rock Slide/Stone Edge
~Earthquake
~Crunch

Physical Sweeper. *****


wouldn't Jolly work a little better for this set?
I mean not that Adamant is bad because it rocks
but Rampardos isn't very fast already

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Jolly - well, depends on what its speed will be after 1 Rock Polish. If it's fast enough, then it can use Adamant.

maybe if Rampardos had Focus Sash? Then it's sure to survive the first turn and get the Rock Polish in.

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Sion9 wrote:
Jolly - well, depends on what its speed will be after 1 Rock Polish. If it's fast enough, then it can use Adamant.

maybe if Rampardos had Focus Sash? Then it's sure to survive the first turn and get the Rock Polish in.


yes Focus Sash for sure.

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Alkhazor wrote:
Hi, I have the cherish ball darkrai, cloned him several times, and was wondering id you ever planned on putting up either a time roaring OHKO oriented darkrai or a...critikrai with spacial rend...(loi, critikrai)

IMHO, I would have something similar to:

Darkrai @ scope lens/somthing that could increase time roars power
timid/modest @ bad dreams

Spacial rend/roar of time
Calm mind
Dark void
Dark pulse/ice beam/thunderbolt

or somthing. Off the top of my head. Just thought I would mention it. Ill go away now. (dont quote this just in case I decide its embarrassing and edit it into nothing.)


LEGIT Darkrais can not be clones, the Classic Ribbon forbids it going onto the GTS. I call your bluff on that one.


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CLaSsicK wrote:
Alkhazor wrote:
Hi, I have the cherish ball darkrai, cloned him several times, and was wondering id you ever planned on putting up either a time roaring OHKO oriented darkrai or a...critikrai with spacial rend...(loi, critikrai)

IMHO, I would have something similar to:

Darkrai @ scope lens/somthing that could increase time roars power
timid/modest @ bad dreams

Spacial rend/roar of time
Calm mind
Dark void
Dark pulse/ice beam/thunderbolt

or somthing. Off the top of my head. Just thought I would mention it. Ill go away now. (dont quote this just in case I decide its embarrassing and edit it into nothing.)


LEGIT Darkrais can not be clones, the Classic Ribbon forbids it going onto the GTS. I call your bluff on that one.


And the fact that it can't be Timid only bold quirky docile or the rare modest O_o


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Hitmontop's Triple Kick seems amazing with technician.

Hitmontop w/Lefties/Choice Scarf/Life Orb
Technician
252 Atk, 180 Def, 72 Sp. Def (with Agility) 252 Atk, 128 Spd, 128 Def (With Scarf)

Agility/Pursuit
Triple Kick/Rolling Kick/Revenge (with agility)
Earthquake
Aerial Ace

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{darkrai} / Bad Dreams / Bold / ?????
EVs: Def 252, Sp Def 252 Spd 6

Dark Void
NightMare
Embargo
Dream Eater

Dark void, Dream Eater, , then Nightmare. This
combo will KO your opponent in 3 turns, if they have chesto use embargo.


Edit : With max IVs in Def and Sp Def, and the item that raises defense, There would be no way to kill it. It's.... Invincible.
Um... OMG I JUST MADE AN INVINCIBLE POKE!

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Ghett0 wrote:
{darkrai} / Bad Dreams / Bold / Power Bracer
EVs: Def 255, Sp Def 255

Dark Void
NightMare
Will-o-Wisp
Moonlight

Dark Void, Will-o-Wisp, then Nightmare. This
combo will KO your opponet in 3 turns, unless they have a chesto.
If you get damaged too much, use Moonlight.

Edit : With max IVs in Def and Sp Def, and the Power Bracer, There would be no way to kill it in one turn. It's.... Invincible.
Um... OMG I JUST MADE AN INVINCIBLE POKE!

First of all it can't learn Moonlight. Secondly Its defences are pretty bad well above average. It can't take a hit It is designed for a special sweeper. Thirdly Power Bracer increases the def EVs on gain and it cuts speed so its practically useless in battling. Fourthly status conditions don't stack you can only have one. Finally what do you think the chances of getting a movie darkrai with two perfect IVs? I don't mean to be rude just pointing out your mistakes sorry If that was a bit rude.

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Darkrai was designed to be a special sweeper. But, right now, I need help with a Porygon-Z set.

Porygon-Z @ Focus Sash/Focus Band/Wise Glasses
Adaptability, Modest
I don't know the EVs

Tri Attack
Thunder
Ice Beam
Agility

- Now, I know I need Tri Attack for STAB and to OHKO most things. Thunder can throw Rain Dancers and Swift Swimmers off-guard while Ice Beam handles ground types and other Dragons. Now, I have Agility in there to speed up and KO the opponent. But should I use Focus Band or Focus Sash to endure the hit, or should I use Wise Glasses so Porygon-Z can sweep easier?

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Use wise glasses, Porygon-Z has nice speed stat already.

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