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Whitewash
Ace Trainer
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:09 am Posts: 325 Location: Location: Location:
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Okay, so I've been milling around in the Pokemon games for quite a bit and know there are different "tiers" of pokemon.
1. teh s uck (Arbok, Furret, Persian)
2. mediocre (Mostly the non-normal/poison types)
3. superior (Most starters and some too good "breedables" Lapras, Snorlax)
4. legendary (One catch per game w/o trades, Very few "breedables" Milotic, Rhyperior)
5. uber legendary (One catch, Nintendo Event, Kyogre)
So... with all these tiers, what could be an equalizer, if any so that pokemon are not repeatably used? I have tried in every game possible to make a Clefable playable and every attempt is blocked by movesets. for you see, stats can be gotten around if you think hard enough, but possible movesets are engraved into stone.
Thoughts?
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:19 am |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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Whitewash wrote: Okay, so I've been milling around in the Pokemon games for quite a bit and know there are different "tiers" of pokemon.
1. teh s uck (Arbok, Furret, Persian)
2. mediocre (Mostly the non-normal/poison types)
3. superior (Most starters and some too good "breedables" Lapras, Snorlax)
4. legendary (One catch per game w/o trades, Very few "breedables" Milotic, Rhyperior)
5. uber legendary (One catch, Nintendo Event, Kyogre)
So... with all these tiers, what could be an equalizer, if any so that pokemon are not repeatably used? I have tried in every game possible to make a Clefable playable and every attempt is blocked by movesets. for you see, stats can be gotten around if you think hard enough, but possible movesets are engraved into stone.
actually...there is a "official" tier system:
NU - never used
UU - underused
BL - between UU and OU
OU - over used (standard team)
Uber - super legendaries + Wobbuffet
When battling, people specify which tier they want to play in...
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:26 am |
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Whitewash
Ace Trainer
Joined: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:09 am Posts: 325 Location: Location: Location:
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Oh really? So they have already figured this out. Wow, yeah, Wobbuffet seems like a beast with Counter and Mirror Coat. Destiny Bond would stink too when you weaken him.
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:40 am |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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Whitewash wrote: Wow, yeah, Wobbuffet seems like a beast with Counter and Mirror Coat. Destiny Bond would stink too when you weaken him.
Encore + Counter/ Mirror Coat
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 11:58 am |
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Bobsymalone
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:42 pm Posts: 60
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If in doubt, just stay away from any legendary or wobbuffet. For example, you're "allowed" to use UU pokemon in an OU environment if you want. So as long as you don't use ubers, you're fine. Some legendaries aren't considered uber though, like the legendary trios (I think), and the Mew counterparts (excluding Mew).
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:01 pm |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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Bobsymalone wrote: If in doubt, just stay away from any legendary or wobbuffet.
Pokemon considered uber:
Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Lati@s (with Soul Dew I think), Deoxys (all forms), Wobbuffet, Wynaut (lol)
Keep in mind, though, that a Uber team does not have to be made of all ubers; you often see OU on Uber teams (and you'll see BL or maybe UU on OU teams)
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:04 pm |
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Bobsymalone
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:42 pm Posts: 60
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Sion9 wrote: Bobsymalone wrote: If in doubt, just stay away from any legendary or wobbuffet.
Pokemon considered uber:
Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Lati@s (with Soul Dew I think), Deoxys (all forms), Wobbuffet, Wynaut (lol)
Keep in mind, though, that a Uber team does not have to be made of all ubers; you often see OU on Uber teams (and you'll see BL or maybe UU on OU teams)
Oh cool, thanks. Been wondering which legendaries are considered uber. Shouldn't Dialga and Palkia be on there? Along with Arceus, actually.
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:07 pm |
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ShadowTyranitar
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun May 06, 2007 5:12 pm Posts: 214 Location: Realgam Tower
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Bobsymalone wrote: Sion9 wrote: Bobsymalone wrote: If in doubt, just stay away from any legendary or wobbuffet.
Pokemon considered uber:
Mewtwo, Mew, Lugia, Ho-oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Rayquaza, Lati@s (with Soul Dew I think), Deoxys (all forms), Wobbuffet, Wynaut (lol)
Keep in mind, though, that a Uber team does not have to be made of all ubers; you often see OU on Uber teams (and you'll see BL or maybe UU on OU teams)
Oh cool, thanks. Been wondering which legendaries are considered uber. Shouldn't Dialga and Palkia be on there? Along with Arceus, actually. http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/24412/t902199-neoseeker-diamond-pearl-tier-list-2007-round-3/
Here's a good list.
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:09 pm |
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Sion9
Pokemon Master
Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2007 6:46 pm Posts: 1241
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Bobsymalone wrote: Oh cool, thanks. Been wondering which legendaries are considered uber. Shouldn't Dialga and Palkia be on there? Along with Arceus, actually.
You're right...I don't know which 4th gen pokemon are considered uber, though
EDIT: Dialga and Palkia are most likely among them
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 12:09 pm |
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thekiller0703
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:19 pm Posts: 693 Location: On the left side of the street... Take THAT Society!
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Sion9 wrote: Bobsymalone wrote: Oh cool, thanks. Been wondering which legendaries are considered uber. Shouldn't Dialga and Palkia be on there? Along with Arceus, actually.
You're right...I don't know which 4th gen pokemon are considered uber, though
EDIT: Dialga and Palkia are most likely among them
I know that Arceus is one, but I'm pretty sure Darkrai is up there.
Regigigas would be except for his special ability
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Wed Jun 27, 2007 1:52 pm |
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Takien
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:21 am Posts: 88 Location: Antarctica
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I think Heatran is also counted as uber.
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Thu Jun 28, 2007 3:20 pm |
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Bobsymalone
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:42 pm Posts: 60
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Takien wrote: I think Heatran is also counted as uber.
I wouldn't have thought so. His special attack is only as high as stuff like Porygon-Z and Alakazam. His defenses are good, but far, far, FAR from uber. And most importantly, Heatran is 4x weak to ground moves. Earthquake is very common.
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Thu Jun 28, 2007 4:10 pm |
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Takien
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Thu Mar 22, 2007 8:21 am Posts: 88 Location: Antarctica
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Ah, good point. I stand corrected.
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