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All you need is the following:

A {smeargle}
A {dialga} / {palkia}
Access to a double battle

Use {smeargle} and {dialga} / {palkia} in a Double Battle
Use Sketch on {dialga} / {palkia} 's Roar of time/Spacial Render
It should learn that move
Put {smeargle} in the Day Care
Keep it there untill Lv26
Fight a Double Battle with the same Pokemon
Now use Sketch on {dialga} / {palkia} 's Draco Meteor
It will now know those moves

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Tue Sep 04, 2007 5:42 pm
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Well What about other moves? Two moves might not win the battle. I hope you post more because I like them :mrgreen:

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Honestly, Smeargle's stats aren't great enough to use as an attacker in my opinion. I would put the EVs and speed and give it something like Spore, Substitute, Belly Drum, Baton Pass. Might just be me though.

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I agree. Smeargle can learn any move, but does not have the stats to be a standard sweeper. However, for attacking try:

Smeargle @ Salac
Endure
Endeavor
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Aqua Jet/other Quick Attack

Endure to activate Salac, then Spore + Endeavor + Aqua Jet everything.

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I mostly see JP people use two Smeargles(focus sashes)in Double battle and spam Dark Void/Detect like no tomorrow, then Endeavor my slept team. Just when I finish those two, up come the Ubers...Mew (with wonder guard that blocked my X-Scizzors, but Shadow Sneak got it) and Latios (Used shadow ball on my Shedinja to finish me).


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Gal wrote:
Mew (with wonder guard that blocked my X-Scizzors, but Shadow Sneak got it)


are you sure wonder guard blocked X-scizzor? bug is super-effective against psychic.

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I know. Because I was always in and out of the room (I never stand still) I couldn't tell what it did, but I think the game thought Mew was my (or a random) Shedinja since Shedinja isn't hurt by X-Scizzors, but it does get hurt by Shadow Sneak.


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man, if they were low enough to give mew wonderguard AND give it differnt type(s) then why didnt they give it ghost/dark?

to get back on topic though, smeargle has pretty lousy stats all round. a max speed smeargle with a salac boost can have 409 though, so usually it needs to have endure and a salac berry to pull anything off, or have speed baton-passed to it. the remaining moves are up to the trainer, but it usually uses something like the others have said. spore+endeavour+quick attack (or equivalent) is one option. another is spore+mean look+lock on+sheer cold (or equivalent). or the standard baton passing set with spore+belly drum+baton pass (and maybe ingrain or substitute).

its max attack and special attack is 152. theres not many pokemon who cant beat that. so even if you give it moves like draco meteor or sacred fire, aeroblast, its not gonna hurt anything except maybe shedinja.

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Cuddles wrote:
man, if they were low enough to give mew wonderguard AND give it differnt type(s) then why didnt they give it ghost/dark?

to get back on topic though, smeargle has pretty lousy stats all round. a max speed smeargle with a salac boost can have 409 though, so usually it needs to have endure and a salac berry to pull anything off, or have speed baton-passed to it. the remaining moves are up to the trainer, but it usually uses something like the others have said. spore+endeavour+quick attack (or equivalent) is one option. another is spore+mean look+lock on+sheer cold (or equivalent). or the standard baton passing set with spore+belly drum+baton pass (and maybe ingrain or substitute).

its max attack and special attack is 152. theres not many pokemon who cant beat that. so even if you give it moves like draco meteor or sacred fire, aeroblast, its not gonna hurt anything except maybe shedinja.


Ooh, I had never thought about Ingrain before. I use my Smeargle in conjunction with a beefed up Tyranitar. Usually Sub works well, because I have EVs poured into speed so by the time they break the subby I've already swept half their team, but I might experiment with Ingrain. Thanks for the idea.

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no worries, but its not MY idea. its pretty standard. ninjask passes speed, then smeargle uses ingrain to prevent being roared/whirlwinded away. it also give a second leftovers effect. this is all after spore though.

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Smeargle is great.

One day I'll just have a ton of Smeargles with the greatest strategies ever.
I shall name them after the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and practice my Evil Laugh.

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smeargle pwns. it makes you think and get new stratygys, have the most versitiliy, it's helped me catch half of my pokedex.

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Ive got a dialga and im willing to swap. tell me what u will swap for it.


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Ive got a dialga and im willing to swap. tell me what u will swap for it.

How is that related to the topic :evil:

Use the trading thread for trades :roll:

Anyway, smeargle is kinda like a really rubbish version of mew... almost.

It doesn't have the stats to pull off any attacking sets, so it requires really unique movesets... with one key advantage - surprise :)

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isn't the only thing smeargle is good for is speed????

the attack is crap

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here are some other good moves:
flamethrower
thunderbolt
ice beam
aura sphere
giga impact
basically any moves


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Smeargle a rubbish version of Mew?! Smeargle can learn any attack, while Mew sadly yet can't. Smeargles move pool is far greater than all other Pokemon in the game. Paired up with the right moves to ajust for its low stats, Smeargle can be a real powerhouse.

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about the Ingrain - it's typically used on a BP team (5 BPers) to block phazers. (Ingrain/Sub/Spore/BP) Am I correct in saying that only Smeargle can BP Ingrain?

pikazapper, those moves all use Atk/SpA stats. (It has already been established that Smeargle's stats don't allow for sweeping using typical moves). If you really want to use attack moves, maybe try Smeargle @ Focus Sash with Belly Drum, but it still has difficulty with Spd. Best bet is to use 'other' moves - moves that don't rely on stats.

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Smeargle could be awsome!!! First, have a Pokemon Baton-Pass it some speed to ensure you go first. Then...


{smeargle} @ Focus Sash
Jolly | Own Tempo
252 Spd / 252 HP? / 6 Def?

Hypnosis/Spore
Mind Reader
Endure
Sheer Cold

First turn. Hopefully, you go first and use Mind Reader. They attack. Focus will save you incase of 0HKO. Then, Sheer Cold! And if needed just stall with Hypnosis/Spore and Endure.

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Sion9 wrote:
If you really want to use attack moves, maybe try Smeargle @ Focus Sash with Belly Drum
that's gettin down there w/ ghett0... belly drum renders focus sash useless
instead of salac i would use choice scarf on sion's set, since it is like fear but different

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Last_Redeemer wrote:
Sion9 wrote:
If you really want to use attack moves, maybe try Smeargle @ Focus Sash with Belly Drum
that's gettin down there w/ ghett0... belly drum renders focus sash useless
instead of salac i would use choice scarf on sion's set, since it is like fear but different

I guess I wasn't thinking very well :evil: (But what's Scarf going to do on the Endeavor set? You have to Spore + Endeavor + Quick Attack them...)

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This should be a good moveset for {smeargle}
Screech
Metal Sound
Thunderbolt
Brick Break/Crunch/Bite


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pikazapper wrote:
This should be a good moveset for {smeargle}
Screech
Metal Sound
Thunderbolt
Brick Break/Crunch/Bite

Nasty Plot + Swords Dance over Screech + Metal Sound (they can just switch out)



It's an interesting idea, but several issues:

Even with a +2 boost, Smeargle may not be able to kill an opponent. The Mixed Sweeper idea is nice, though. Smeargle also does not have the defense to take too many hits, and could easily be killed 1st turn.

Smeargle's speed isn't very high, and it may not be able to outspeed a sweeper (and avoid getting killed)

Also, being a mixed sweeper means you have to split Atk/SpA EVs (as you will undoubtedly want max Spd)

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Lock on
Mind reader
sheer cold (a must against ghosts with flying/levitate)
fissure/guillotine/horn drill


combine it with a togekiss with follow me and double team in a double battle 4 ownage

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Mr G W wrote:
Lock on
Mind reader
sheer cold (a must against ghosts with flying/levitate)
fissure/guillotine/horn drill


combine it with a togekiss with follow me and double team in a double battle 4 ownage

that fails to switching - you need Mean Look on there somewhere. But then Togekiss has to take attacks from 2 pokes for 2 turns. I see where DT would come in useful - but it's banned from many battles (Evasion Clause) Also doesn't work against Aerial Ace, or luck.

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