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Does togekiss' hustle ability increase the power of only moves based on his attack stat or special attack stat aswell? please reply if you know. thanks.


Mon Sep 24, 2007 2:09 pm
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Questions Thread?

Hustle=BAD

poor attk (too poor for husle)
Sp attks would suffer.

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The Jonatron wrote:
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Hustle=BAD

poor attk (too poor for husle)
Sp attks would suffer.


Uh, what? Hustle isn't a nature you know, and doesn't increase one at the expense of another.

I think it increases both, but I'm not 100% sure. But still, Serene Grace is better, as it's easier to hax your way to victory with it (Air Slash, 40% Flinch or so...HAXXY)

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Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:02 pm
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lolstop wrote:
Hustle: Damage from physical attacks is 1.5 times, but average accuracy is only 80%.


You'd be surprising how bad 80% accuracy can be, too. Let's just say that Thunder's accuracy is only slightly lower. And if you're taking 80% of an accuracy rate that might not already be 100%...

Agreed, everyone would much rather rock a Serene Grace 'Kiss. 30% flinch chance, times two from Serene Grace is 60%.


Tue Sep 25, 2007 2:29 pm
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Taser wrote:
lolstop wrote:
Hustle: Damage from physical attacks is 1.5 times, but average accuracy is only 80%.


You'd be surprising how bad 80% accuracy can be, too. Let's just say that Thunder's accuracy is only slightly lower. And if you're taking 80% of an accuracy rate that might not already be 100%...

Agreed, everyone would much rather rock a Serene Grace 'Kiss. 30% flinch chance, times two from Serene Grace is 60%.


Does is explicitly state that it is 80% of the move's normal accuracy rate?

I was under the impression that it means the average accuracy of all physical moves is just 80%.

And even if that's not the case, I'm guessing this means you never use Stone Edge, Focus Blast on Alakazam, Cross Chop, or Sing on Blissey because they have 80% or less accuracy.

Also, Serene Grace Togekiss is cheap, incredibly cheap. Cheap as in more cheap then Double Team, which has many valid counters but is still banned.


Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:06 pm
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^I would think that's what it meant, since some moves obviously have less than 80% already and to raise some accuracy and lower others would be... odd. I could be wrong though.

Serene Grace Togekiss is nowhere near comparable to Double Team in "cheapness." Flinchax is strategy--just an incredibly annoying one. As long as you're prepared for it (which you should, it's quite a prominent pokemon in the metagame) all you have to do is simply outspeed it and kill.


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Yeah flinch grace is awesome...
I won a battle agaisnt a whole team with
{metagross}{salamence}{kingdra} using a

{dunsparce} @leftovers
serene grace
headbutt/Ancientpower/curse/thunderwave...(Emerald)

And {togekiss} is even more evil....
Great defences,Great Sp.Att...
And wide movepool
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Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:56 am
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Yeah, srry, sleepy again... I was assuming it didn't effect Special Moves and that the Acc problem did.

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