What level are your pokemon? Do you have max revives? What is your entire team? Attacks?
Without vital information like that, it's hard to make a strategy... please post more information
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| Author: | DratiniKing [ Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Beating Lance |
Does anyone know a good strategy for lance? I can beat the elite four but lance runs right through me. I'm currently using an Onix and Gyarados with ice fang to beat him. I haven't tried with onix yet, but does anyone know any good startegies to beat him? EDIT:Got to post my team Gyarados LV44 Surf hydro pump dragon rage Ice Fang Typlosian LV47 Swift Flamethrower Lava Pulme Blast Burn Ho oh LV50 Fly Sunny Day Sacred Fire Punishment Onix LV 37 Rock Tomb Dragonbreath Sandstorm Slam Politoed LV 35 Waterfall Bubblebeam Rain Dance Strength Dritini LV 19 Dragon Pulse Dragon Rage Thunder Wave Leer |
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| Author: | Trainer_Tarika [ Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:14 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
What level are your pokemon? Do you have max revives? What is your entire team? Attacks? Without vital information like that, it's hard to make a strategy... please post more information
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| Author: | DratiniKing [ Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
For items, I have a couple full restores, one or two max revies, and like 5 revies. Those are just some of them. I can buy more though. |
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| Author: | Lawence Codye [ Fri Apr 02, 2010 6:55 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
Umm...yeah, no wonder he's crushing you, his Gyarados almost crushed my whole team & they were all at least at the level your Ho-oh is currently at...&...I would suggest having your pokemon at least at LV50 to be able to handle Lance with this party as Outrage Dragonite & Gyarados in General is a pain here without those LV Ups...other then that you should do well, just make sure to buy the following for the Elite 4; 10 Full Restore 10 Max Potion or Hyper Potion 10 Full Heal 10 Revive Your Max Revive collection During the Lance fight don't be shy when it comes to using your Max Revives as they are reobtainable & there specifically for this kind of problem if you need them...& as for team adjustments, just put some kind of type variety in there or of course you can't beat the Dragon Type without some attacks besides normal ones that do normal to Super Effective damage on them & is able to take their damage hince the training you need to do... Dragon/Flying hate the following attacks; Ice X4 Rock X2 Dragon X2 Flying also makes his Dragon Types lose their resistance to Electric attacks...& Do not use an attack that Type registers as Fire/Water/Grass/Fighting/Ground(duh!)/Bug...unless you know it will take them out...Normal attacks shouldn't be used unless you can take them out with the hit & or if your current pokemon can take the pokemon on you are attacking defensively...I hope this helped at least a little... |
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| Author: | kayleak [ Fri Apr 02, 2010 7:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
You should first raise all levels to be around the same; having some guys below level 45 probably won't work. Change Waterfall for Surf in Gyarados, and Surf for Waterfall in Politoed, Waterfall is Physical which fits Gyarados, while Surf is Special which fits Politoed. You might want to get rid of Hydro Pump as well on Gyarados, it's a great move, but you'd already have Waterfall for a Water move. Get rid of Strength on Politoed as well, give that to Onyx instead of Slam. Slam has less accuracy and the same damage, only bonus is the PP, but 5 PP for 25% more accuracy is worth it, in my opinion. Typhlosion has way too many Fire attacks, it should be either Flamethrower or Lava Plume with Blast Burn, but only if you really want Blast Burn. The damage might be nice, but the recharge basically cuts the damage in half, but it might be useful if you use it on a really strong pokemon to get rid of it once and for all, or if you have low HP. Ho-oh's Defense stat tends to be pretty bad, which is really bad since Rock type is x4 against it, so teaching it Reflect instead of Sunny Day or Punishment might be nice if you want to. Steel Wing is a pretty solid move that could help out as well. If you take out Hyrdo Pump to Gyarados, giving a damaging Dragon move should be helpful, or Earthquake if you figure you already have Ice Fang to destroy the Dragon types. Politoed could use Hyper Voice instead of Strength, it's a good move, and it's Special, with higher damage. Typhlosion with Thunder, Toxic, Will-O-Wisp, Hidden Power (depends on what type it is), or Endure/Protect would be a bit nicer with 2 Fire type moves and Swift instead of 3 Fire type moves and Swift. The Dratini is obviously not ready yet, but remember it's a Physical attacker, not Special, so Dragon Pulse doesn't fit it. You obviously don't have to take my advice, but most of the things I said about the HMs I advise you to do, if you fit the Special moves with pokemon specialized in Attack, the moves won't be strong, while if you give a Physical move to the same pokemon, it should be a lot stronger. |
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| Author: | Lord_vegeta [ Fri Apr 02, 2010 8:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
level up man i whooped him first try but then my pokemon were level 87 and higher |
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| Author: | Krisp [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:31 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
kayleak wrote: You should first raise all levels to be around the same; having some guys below level 45 probably won't work. My team after I beat Lance was  level 41
 level 35
 level 40
 level 40
 level 37
 level 45
so leveling up that high isn't necessary. I'd say you should be around level 40, give or take a few levels. Lance whooped on all of my Pokemon except Lanturn, who could survive Outrage and Dragon Rush, and I relied on Hyper Potions + Dragon Rush's bad accuracy to beat him. |
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| Author: | Lord_vegeta [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
all i used was flamethrower and fly, swift once in a while 4 or 5 hyper potions and a leppa berry and beat lance first try red too |
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| Author: | DratiniKing [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:47 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
I am training a pineco into a forretress. I figure that can replace Dratini.I could kill Gyarados with my own Gyarados but his aradactyl killed everything |
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| Author: | Lord_vegeta [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 10:49 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
DratiniKing wrote: I am training a pineco into a forretress. I figure that can replace Dratini.I could kill Gyarados with my own Gyarados but his aradactyl killed everything i so hated that dang dino used up almost all my flys and most my hyper potions taking it down |
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| Author: | Lawence Codye [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:30 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
Krisp wrote: so leveling up that high isn't necessary. I'd say you should be around level 40, give or take a few levels. Lance whooped on all of my Pokemon except Lanturn, who could survive Outrage and Dragon Rush, and I relied on Hyper Potions + Dragon Rush's bad accuracy to beat him. Yeah...I just leveled up due to the party I had in order to not be overpowered by I think Clair...& I used almost my whole stash of Items fending off Aerodactyl & Gyarados & then Outrage Dragonite...Dragon Rush Dragonite was not a threat as I had Vaporeon for it & Aerodactyl...his team becomes hell though after the first fight...stupid rematch Elite 4 & Champion... DratiniKing wrote: I am training a pineco into a forretress. I figure that can replace Dratini.I could kill Gyarados with my own Gyarados but his aradactyl killed everything Good idea I guess...but just be aware as to how strong Aerodactyl actually is when making adjustments for it...btw, I used to use my one Sacred Ash right before I fought him in Gold & Crystal Versions so that I saved up on my items stash which I needed to beat him then but not like in Soul Silver...meh... |
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| Author: | KingErick [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:33 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
remember the physical/special defense split too. lances team (except for charizard) is mainly physical.. |
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| Author: | Silver [ Sat Apr 03, 2010 9:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
But he doesnt really have a pokemon who could even contend with lance besides  . you might have to switch out  and {poiltoed} with stronger pokemon or lv. up but your team is kinda akward. You shouldnt be facing the elite 4 with lv.19 and lv.30's at least 40. hope you breaktrough and beat him.
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| Author: | Benjamin [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:06 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
I trained a lapras until it learned ice beam. Also all of my pokemon were at least level forty. And be sure to utilize each pokemon's strongest stats. Don't teach surf to gyarados, for example, teach it waterfall. In one vs. one it's basically a physical surf. Which is good. If you're really having a hard time utilizing both gyarados and lapras to beat him, look at the rest of your team. Which are you underutilizing? Get rid of it. Which seems to be in tons of battles? You have to keep healing? Get another one like it. If your politoed is being used a lot, get another water pokemon and teach it surf and whatnot. And if a pokemon isn't at a level where you would use it it's not worth bringing. Case in point? Dratini. You should either train it up or get rid of it and train up something you would use. |
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| Author: | Lord_vegeta [ Sun Apr 04, 2010 8:11 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
is he really that hard to beat wait to the second and third time around level 73 Salamence is pain in the butt took it out with a level 95 Typhlosion it wouldn't go down with out a fight |
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| Author: | MasonTheChef [ Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
lol lv60+ Feraligatr with Waterfall,Return and Ice fang wiped him first round, though I had to switch to remove gyara's intimidate. |
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| Author: | Lawence Codye [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 5:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
MasterChef wrote: lol lv60+ Feraligatr with Waterfall,Return and Ice fang wiped him first round, though I had to switch to remove gyara's intimidate. Oh wow, another good reason to pick Totodile as your starter of choice above...they should have gave you more exp throughout the story so that you could actually stand a chance against him without having to make all these adjustments considering his team gets a revamp come the 2nd encounter with him...Salamence ended my day when I was seeing if the Elite 4 got a rematch rooster this time around... |
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| Author: | GoldenArbok [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
Well...All of my Pokemon were lv. 45 before challenging the Elite Four... Lets see... I had Amphros take out gyrados OHKO.... Then using at least 8 hyper potions a few revives and luck...My golem (a Monster of a Pokemon) took the rest of his team... (sorry about spelling) So train onix and maybe you'll have a chance |
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| Author: | Lawence Codye [ Tue Apr 06, 2010 6:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
& to make matters better, Onix's attack is almost on par with Graveler so...a trained Onix would be almost as effective as GoldenArbok's Golem was...which is good... |
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| Author: | Enigmers [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 2:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
I found the elite four pretty easy, but Lance is steamrolling me. I can kill his Gyarados fairly easily, but once I do he sends out his level 50 Dragonite which uses Outrage, instantly killing everything on my team (except Skarmory, he uses Fire Blast to instantly kill that.) So the question is not "what strategy to use" but rather "who decided this would be a good idea, and how exactly do I go about forcing them to pick up shards of broken glass with their eyelids?" My team is: Ninetales -Extrasensory -Flamethrower -Will'O'Wisp -Confuse Ray Vaporeon -Aurora Beam -Blizzard (you can see why) -Surf -Something Else Skarmory -Fly -Spikes -Steel Wing -Something Else Ampharos -Discharge -Signal Beam -Thunder Wave -Fire Punch (Replacing with Power Gem if I ever get past this ridiculous battle) Haunter -Hypnosis -Dream Eater -Shadow Ball -Shadow Punch (replacing with Dark Pulse if I ever get past this ridiculous battle) Lugia -Aeroblast -Extrasensory -The rest of the default moveset I dunno Hydro Pump or something I guess Does Lance eat half your money if you lose? I have 180624 pokébucks and I'd rather not lose a large chunk of that. Edit Edit: He only took about 5000 pokécurrencyunits, so I bought a bunch of Revives and Hyper Potions, and now I'm gonna grind out a few levels in Victory Road and try again. |
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| Author: | Weavile Lord [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
Lol, on HG I took out gyrados quickly with a single thunder from my ampharos, and my vaporeon's ice type moves and high hp(With a few potions and revives of course) took out the rest. SS with my full dark team was a bit messier though. |
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| Author: | funnage [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 3:54 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
Enigmers wrote: I found the elite four pretty easy, but Lance is steamrolling me. I can kill his Gyarados fairly easily, but once I do he sends out his level 50 Dragonite which uses Outrage, instantly killing everything on my team (except Skarmory, he uses Fire Blast to instantly kill that.)
So the question is not "what strategy to use" but rather "who decided this would be a good idea, and how exactly do I go about forcing them to pick up shards of broken glass with their eyelids?" My team is: Ninetales -Extrasensory -Flamethrower -Will'O'Wisp -Confuse Ray Vaporeon -Aurora Beam -Blizzard (you can see why) -Surf -Something Else Skarmory -Fly -Spikes -Steel Wing -Something Else Ampharos -Discharge -Signal Beam -Thunder Wave -Fire Punch (Replacing with Power Gem if I ever get past this ridiculous battle) Haunter -Hypnosis -Dream Eater -Shadow Ball -Shadow Punch (replacing with Dark Pulse if I ever get past this ridiculous battle) Lugia -Aeroblast -Extrasensory -The rest of the default moveset I dunno Hydro Pump or something I guess Does Lance eat half your money if you lose? I have 180624 pokébucks and I'd rather not lose a large chunk of that. Edit Edit: He only took about 5000 pokécurrencyunits, so I bought a bunch of Revives and Hyper Potions, and now I'm gonna grind out a few levels in Victory Road and try again. Don't give Dark Pulse to a Haunter that already knows Shadow Ball. Dark and Ghost moves are good against the same types, and the moves both have the same power and accuracy, and Shadow Ball is the STAB move, so giving Haunter Dark Pulse is just wasting a slot. Your team looks good though, really depends on the levels of your Pokemon. What levels are they? |
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| Author: | Ryanh181 [ Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:32 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
The Team I used to beat the league is as follows Raikou Lv44 ~ Strength ~ Crunch ~ Quick Attack ~ Thunderbolt Umbreon Lv40 ~ Shadow Ball ~ Payback ~ Faint Attack ~ Quick Attack Typhlosion Lv42 ~ Flamethrower ~ Brick Break ~ Swift ~ Lava Plume Ampharos Lv42 ~ Signal Beam ~ Iron Tail ~ Discharge ~ Thunder Wave Gyarados Lv36 ~ Dragon Rage ~ Surf ~ Waterfall ~ Ice Fang Lugia Lv49 ~ Extrasensory ~ Ice Beam ~ Fly ~ Aeroblast |
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| Author: | LadyMiir [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 7:19 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
This was my HG team (all Lv 45) Feraligatr Surf (transport) Waterfall Ice Fang Crunch Espeon Psybeam Return Swift Shadow Ball Ampharos Discharge Thunder Wave Signal Beam Headbutt (now Focus Blast) Growlithe (yes, I didn't evolve it) Flamethrower Fire Fang Reversal Crunch Donphan Rock Tomb Earthquake Assurance Headbutt Lapras -- I doubled up on Water types and made sure I had Lapras JUST because of Lance. Surf Ice Beam Ice Shard for revenge kills Perish song for guaranteed kills Here's how it went: Ampharos v Gyarados, Amphy gets flinched the first turn but gets off a Discharge second turn and KOs Gyarados. Feraligatr vs Outrage Dragonite: Gatr hits with Ice Fang, puts it in the yellow, survives one turn of Outrage and KOs it next turn. Lapras vs both Lv 48 Dragonites: Ice Beam = OHKO Donphan vs Aerodactyl: You're probably wondering why. There was -nothing- that Aero could do to severely dent my Donphan, so I used the time to heal up Gatr and Lapras, let Donphan do some damage, then sent Gatr in to finish it off once Donphan fell. Lapras vs Charizard: Air Slash flinched Lapras in first turn, but I got off Perish Song... and then Surf critted and wiped out Charizard. So yes... Donphan saved me on that Aerodactyl, but Lapras was MVP. Highly recommend getting one. |
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| Author: | Gallade Roxas [ Wed Jun 30, 2010 9:45 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Beating Lance |
I basically just had Lanturn and Mamoswine rampage through his whole team with Water, Electric, and Ice madness. |
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