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KingErick wrote:
interesting idea- yet i must say you guys do realise that they have already made every single new pokemon in black & white??

They are: a) producing
b) promoting
c) translating into english right now

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
THE GAMES AREN'T DONE AND NOTHING IS SETTLED UPON UNTIL THEY'RE RELEASED.
AND TRANSLATING INTO ENGLISH?
IMPOSSIBLE. THAT CLEARLY DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE US RELEASE.

HOW SILLY OF YOU TO THINK THEY DO ALL THIS IN ADVANCE.

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Darkrai-follower wrote:

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Possibly an evolution for Feebas with max Coolness, Cuteness, Smartness, and Toughness?
I rather like the idea of that. Not sure what they'd look like though. Being fish 'n' all.[/color]

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A solid NO. {milotic} is a counterpart to {gyarados} , I don't want that pair to be messed up.

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AceTrainer wrote:
A solid NO. {milotic} is a counterpart to {gyarados} , I don't want that pair to be messed up.

It is, really!?...

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WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
THE GAMES AREN'T DONE AND NOTHING IS SETTLED UPON UNTIL THEY'RE RELEASED.
AND TRANSLATING INTO ENGLISH?
IMPOSSIBLE. THAT CLEARLY DOESN'T BEGIN UNTIL TWO MONTHS BEFORE THE US RELEASE.

HOW SILLY OF YOU TO THINK THEY DO ALL THIS IN ADVANCE.

Yeah, I figured that was a load of BS...

I also must say that I don't see any need for another Feebas evolution...it wouldn't make much sense when there is better use for those evolution requirements on other pokemon, but I'm not knocking this either though as it is your well deserved opinion...

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No actually, I think they do make the games in advance. Like a LONG TIME in advance. Like, they were producing D/P/P before Emerald came out.

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I'm glad you caught my sarcasm, Lawence. =)

And as far as {feebas} ?
No.
The whole thing about him is that he's ugly as sin, so no one loves him.
But if someone DOES love him, and brings out his best,
he'll evolve into one of THE most sought-after Pokemon in the game's universe.
And what he evolves into is the exact opposite of what he is, Beautiful and Strong.

Very much like Magikarp is to Gyarados.
(They just took that concept and updated it to show off the new stats, in case anyone missed the connection.)

But seriously.
If they want to have a Pokemon evolve five different ways based on those hidden stats,
they should create another one.

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Ryanh181 wrote:
No actually, I think they do make the games in advance. Like a LONG TIME in advance. Like, they were producing D/P/P before Emerald came out.


But they don't do things like trasnlate it into other languages & other finishing touches until it has come out in japan first I'm sure cause it doesn't make sense to do this before they even are sure that the product that is released is stable, etc.(I mean one area of the world got copies of HGSS that wouldn't save data so) & if they did they would be better anyway...

& yeah I'm a very sarcastic person myself so I can see sarcasm from afar, I just like to play the fool to promote an advance in conversation which ends up working...

Also, Ohhh you meant by means of evolving from weak pokemon into strong pokemon, okay...

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In the defense of anyone who didn't detect sarcasm in this or any thread on the forum (namely the admittedly confusing conversations going on in the GEN V NEWS thread), it is understandably harder to detect than when talking with someone in person obviously because you can't pick up all the signs, such as tone of voice and visual cues :P

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Ajit wrote:
In the defense of anyone who didn't detect sarcasm in this or any thread on the forum (namely the admittedly confusing conversations going on in the GEN V NEWS thread), it is understandably harder to detect than when talking with someone in person obviously because you can't pick up all the signs, such as tone of voice and visual cues :P


Yeah, this is why I just do what I do regardless...it is hard to detect since you usually don't know the person saying it so...where is the known signs that you can't see due to them not being in person?...meh...

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Spoinkable wrote:

But seriously.
If they want to have a Pokemon evolve five different ways based on those hidden stats,
they should create another one.


You mean like a new {eevee} ?

:D

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I. WANT. FATLAX. NOW.

Sorry...Fatlax?


Yes, Fatlax. The evolution of Snorlax. You gotza problum wif dat?

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But seriously.
If they want to have a Pokemon evolve five different ways based on those hidden stats and show Mr. Dude's pure awesomeness, they should create another one.



You mean like a new Eevee?


YES! Then I can make a list of names!

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No. Snorlax doesn't need an evolution. I think it would ruin him.

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Ryanh181 wrote:
No. Snorlax doesn't need an evolution. I think it would ruin him.

How about a Munchlax alternate evolution? Normal/Fighting? Basically, something that gives you a REASON to breed Munchlax besides filling your pokedex.

Generally, this is the problem with "jump through hoops" pre-evolutions - why should I do X to get a substandard Snorlax. Munchlax does have pickup, which is pretty good, but if we're talking seriously, why should I have Snorlax something to hold when having him go make babies?

If we get an alternate evolution, NOW we have a reason! Maybe if Munchlax is traded holding a Focus Slash and participates in "Brick Break" minigame (Uh... let's say it's a DS touch-screen game that requires your entered pokemon to know Rocksmash?), he will evolve into "Fistlax", a Fighting/Normal Type which learns the moves "Rest", "Big Yawn" (5pp Puts both pokemon asleep, new move), and "Sleep Punch" (10pp new move 80 attack damage fighting move that fails if the user isn't asleep).

Indeed, I'd be up for an alternate evolution (or at least some good exclusive start moves) for ANY and ALL "incense" pre-evolutions.


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AceTrainer wrote:
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But seriously.
If they want to have a Pokemon evolve five different ways based on those hidden stats,
they should create another one.


You mean like a new {eevee} ?

:D

Haha, kinda. Or a new {castform}

I was basically saying that {feebas} should only evolve with Beauty because that his thing.
And if they want to have any pokemon evolve by the other contest stats, it shouldn't be any of the already-existing Pokemon.

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Spoinkable wrote:
AceTrainer wrote:
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But seriously.
If they want to have a Pokemon evolve five different ways based on those hidden stats,
they should create another one.


You mean like a new {eevee} ?

:D

Haha, kinda. Or a new {castform}

I was basically saying that {feebas} should only evolve with Beauty because that his thing.
And if they want to have any pokemon evolve by the other contest stats, it shouldn't be any of the already-existing Pokemon.


Not {castform} , I think he'll just be a new {wormadam} if that happened.

But I agree, they have to make a new one, not force it to {feebas} .

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How about {drifblim} evolving into a Drifelin? A ghost/flying zeppelin would be awesome! (Thought of this independently of other suggestions I found on the web).

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I like the idea of the "weather stone' evolution for Castform. Also, they should amend him to turn into Rock and Ghost (for Fog), and also include the new weather effects that I'm sure they are going to include in the new game.

And having a love fest with Snorlax, I do love the idea of an alternate Munchlax evolution. I would say a kind of "side" evolution (kinda like Scizor) for Snorlax, but like someone else pointed out, there really needs to be a reason for Munchlax beyond that of adding Stockpile/Swallow/Spit combo to Snorlax.

The contest/pokeatholon sub-stats (which I think they will make a permanent code in Gen V) should definitely be a reason for evolution of some of the old pokemon. Besides having Eevee's evolutions they skipped in Hoenn being tied to that stat (Dragon-cool, Poison-Smart, Fighting-tough, normal-cute, Flying-beauty).. they should have a new pokemon evolve that way, and a couple old ones.. like maybe having the Munchlax evolution be from him winning x-number of Super Pokeatholon tournaments or something.

I really think they are going to have a contest based evolution in the new games. They've introduced it in the last couple gens now.. and it is an easily explainable reason why an old pokemon didn't evolve in the past games.

That said, I have a very uneasy feeling that since Isshu is suppose to be so far away, that we are possibly going to be getting a Hoenn type re-birth with possibly 158 new pokemon (To bring us up to 651) with VERY LITTLE overlap of old pokemon in the game (Think the region dex will probably have like 200 pokes in it). Most likely the only rehashes will probably be old Hoenn pokemon that weren't easy to catch in the last two DS games.

With Zoroak's new illusion ability, don't be surprised if we end up seeing that Ditto evolution after all. Possibly being tied to Ditto evolving after battling a Zoroak family member (or leveling up with one in the party). The Ditto 2.0 would be able to make Eggs that would be an exact copy (IV stats) of the other parent pokemon. If not IVs, the egg that would hatch would be the same pokemon (ie mating with a Charizard would produce a Charizard) It would also be able to make ditto eggs for the first time if paired up with another Ditto 2.0. And finally, it would be able to breed with some non-egg pokemon (Heatran?) to produce eggs/prevolutions (Like Phione).

Speaking of Phione, I'd like to see the evolution method shown to evolve Phione into Manaphy, while also introducting Manaphy's evolution (the one that will have 3 dots around it's eyes).


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That said, I have a very uneasy feeling that since Isshu is suppose to be so far away, that we are possibly going to be getting a Hoenn type re-birth with possibly 158 new pokemon (To bring us up to 651) with VERY LITTLE overlap of old pokemon in the game (Think the region dex will probably have like 200 pokes in it). Most likely the only rehashes will probably be old Hoenn pokemon that weren't easy to catch in the last two DS games.


A "Hoenn type rebirth" would be throwing out all of the old Pokemon and having no connectivity with the older games, making them completely unavailable. Generation V is already confirmed to have connectivity with Generation IV. Therefore, it's not on par with what Hoenn did, and I thank Gamefreak so very much for that. Although, I think Gamefreak has learned their lesson when it comes to ditching vast amounts of old Pokemon. They seem to have a system that works well for them now: focus on the new Pokemon during the main quest, with a few older ones mixed in, and then have the old ones available after the E4.

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They can still do connectivity, but still make the game a rebirth on par with Hoenn. If they don't allow transfers until you complete the region dex.. similar to a Pal-Park or FR/LG trade-computer fix issue.. then they can. I don't think they'll go so far as making a bunch of duplicate pokemon like Gulpin, etc.. but they don't need to in order to give a fresh new feel to the region. I mean, if they are going to throw more bidoofs and tailows at us, they might as well make a reason for it.

Personally, I found that I ended up liking what they did in regard to trading in FR/LG because it didn't break the game like it did in HG/SS. I felt such a need to have a snorlax in my party before I went to Kanto, that I traded one in from Pearl. Hopefully they don't make the same mistake with B/W.


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If they bring the Poffin or PokèBlock stuff back to Gen. V, I think it would've been cool with an evolution for Feebas, if you only gave it Spicy stuff, it would evolve to something EXTREMELY cool, and if you only gave it Sweet stuff, it would evolve to something cute, etc...

The Fossil Pokèmon don't need any evolution, but it sure would've been cool. A new Eevee evolution sure would be cool.

What about a new Lombre and Nuzleaf evolution, if you gave a Leaf Stone to Lombre it would evolve to someting else and if you gave a Dusk Stone to Nuzleaf it would evolve into something else.


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Please, not {feebas} . It will destroy the emphasis of the transformation from ugly duckling to a beautiful swan.

Make a different pokemon that will evolve according to contest stats.

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To be honest, I don't really want more evolutions of old pokemon. They went over the top in Sinnoh and honestly, if they keep doing it just seems boring and unorginal. The only thing I want, and I've been wanting this ever since I learned about the creature is an Orochi themed Pokemon (a possible evolution of Seviper, seeing as it looks a lot like the description, but smaller, and with only one head...). Other than that, I kind of want a clean slate. All the connectivity with the past gens, thats fine, but I want all new Pokemon, not rehashes of old ones. Its just seems lazy. "Oh, you can't think of anymore? Well, uh, lets just give this one a new one, they seemed to like that one." They usually give the evo's to those undeserving of evo's in the first place. Magmar, Electebuzz, Piloswine... Really? There are so many that were completely unnecessary and, so, either give me evolutions that make bad Pokemon into at least barable Pokemon, or clean the slate.

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{spinda} I think there needs to be a Spinda evolution of some sort. Then I'll have a good excuse to use one on my team...

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Everlasting Sapphire wrote:
{spinda} I think there needs to be a Spinda evolution of some sort. Then I'll have a good excuse to use one on my team...


Do you have any ideas? If Spinda were ever to evolve it would have to be a similar gimmic that deals with its completely random spots.


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Everlasting Sapphire wrote:
{spinda} I think there needs to be a Spinda evolution of some sort. Then I'll have a good excuse to use one on my team...

I think this is a mistake.

However, I could see 3 things helping Spinda out:
a) A "thick club"-style pokemon-specific item. Perhaps the "Spinda-Belt", found on wild spinda?, doubles? each of it's stats. Then it'd ALMOST be servicable... (and it would make thief a much more impotant move).
b) A "Spinda-signature move" - something that has to do with it's spots... I don't know, but you know?
c) A Spinda-pal move, where another pokemon can learn a move (perhaps by leveling up after a double battle with a Spinda), something like "Spinda-Throw", which has to do with having a Spinda in your party.
Options:
1. You "throw" Spinda at the opponent, and it does damage equal to your guy's attack and spinda's attack? (sort of like a "beat up" variant, but high power... like 80-100 base power, fails if Spinda's not in your party or if it's out in a dual battle, and hit's twice one for your guy, one for the spinda?
2. Spinda-Summons - In single-battles, your other pokemon uses this move and the first Spinda in your party shows up, ready to battle as if it was a double-battle. Unique, but given how sucky Spinda is...


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OK, labarith I absolutely love your ideas.
Spinda-unique stuff would make it so much more viable,
and it would make up for the fact that they tried to make it Seem so neat, but made it sh*t overall.

And a hold item would do wonders.

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labarith wrote:
Everlasting Sapphire wrote:
{spinda} I think there needs to be a Spinda evolution of some sort. Then I'll have a good excuse to use one on my team!!!

I think this is a mistake.

However, I could see 3 things helping Spinda out:
a) A "thick club"-style pokemon-specific item. Perhaps the "Spinda-Belt", found on wild spinda?, doubles? each of it's stats. Then it'd ALMOST be servicable!!! (and it would make thief a much more impotant move).
b) A "Spinda-signature move" - something that has to do with it's spots!!! I don't know, but you know?
c) A Spinda-pal move, where another pokemon can learn a move (perhaps by leveling up after a double battle with a Spinda), something like "Spinda-Throw", which has to do with having a Spinda in your party.
Options:
1. You "throw" Spinda at the opponent, and it does damage equal to your guy's attack and spinda's attack? (sort of like a "beat up" variant, but high power!!! like 80-100 base power, fails if Spinda's not in your party or if it's out in a dual battle, and hit's twice one for your guy, one for the spinda?
2. Spinda-Summons - In single-battles, your other pokemon uses this move and the first Spinda in your party shows up, ready to battle as if it was a double-battle. Unique, but given how sucky Spinda is!!!


I like all of those ideas actually...Or there could be an attack that summons a whole army of Spindas that attack the opponent...

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