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Tobey wrote:

This thing can tank with the best of them.

Cursebreon is a rather nice pokemon to use.

@Leftovers
Careful: 212 Hp, 162 Atk, 136 Def
Curse
Moonlight / Wish / Rest
Shadow Ball
Body Slam / Baton Pass / Return

This can catch some people off guard as they'll try to throw in something to sub, you curse on the switch and then pummel the sub with the respective attack. I only wish this could EQ for some nice Gengar/T-tar countering.

Prophet wrote:

O_O daveshan, something you should know about Umbreon...

Never use any attacks on it... its attack capabilties are just too horrible to try it... It's only good for stalling/walling/tanking.

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EDIT:Neutral the problem w/pursuit is that you can't force the opponent to switch out his pokemon. Your best bet is to try to screw with your opponent's stats. Problem there is, Umbreon can't learn sp def lowering moves.

Synchronize wrote:

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There are a few select pokemon that switch out, mainly being Gengar and non-CM Zam.

daveshan wrote:

Toxic only fails if the opposing team has aeromatherapy or Heal bell.

Author:	Synchronize [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 9:38 am ]
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You know I had to make this one lol. Umbreon is basically a supporter/trapper at best. Also a good BP Team option. Pros: +Great Defensive stats. +Trappassing technique is unrivaled. +Synchronize can own along with Mean Look (Toxic users ftw?) Cons: -Relatively low speed -Standard Umbreon sets make it easy for DDers to set up on (without Charm) -Taunt owns it. Base Stats HP - 95 Atk - 65 Def - 110 Spd - 65 Sp.Atk - 60 Sp.Def - 130 Obviously not the best at sweeping, but 110 base Def can take on a Machamp Cross Chop ftw. Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Synchronize EVs: 212 HP / 74 Def / 224 Spd Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Taunt - Baton Pass - Mean Look - Wish / Moonlight Chaosbreon: the standard Umbreon set. I personally see no use in speed, so I use: EVs: 212 HP / 240 Def / 56 SDef Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Synchronize EVs: 244 HP / 176 Def / 88 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Substitute - Wish - Baton Pass - Protect / Toxic / Charm / Tickle / Psych up / Snatch / Pursuit / Mean Look Supportbreon. Strays away from max lefties to try to pass a good HP sub. Lots of options in the 4th slot. Pursuit was something I used to use on McGar . 50% Damage w/o SAtk EVs on the switch ftw. Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Synchronize EVs: 212 HP / 240 Def / 56 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Taunt / Protect - Toxic - Mean Look - Moonlight / Wish Toxistall Umby. You can also use the original chaosbreon EVs here. Like all toxistallers, Taunt, steel types, and poison types rape it. It's best used with Pursuitgross to get rid of McGar, and EQ would help in taking out steel and poison types as well. Thunderpunch would be ideal for skarm. Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Synchronize EVs: 212 HP / 240 Def / 56 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) - Charm - Baton Pass - Mean Look - Wish / Taunt Charmbreon. Physical sweepers not named Metagross or Regirock can dai now. Some add an offensive attack to try and screw Focus Punch, but that's really a mistake =/. Umbreon (M) @ Leftovers Trait: Synchronize EVs: 212 HP / 240 Def / 56 SDef Bold Nature (+Def, -Atk) -Torment -Protect -Baton Pass -Mean Look / Wish TP Umby. My own little creation. I haven't perfected the technique yet, so it's generally useless unless its against BP teams, and even then it stalls more than it can support. Sure it's weak to Bug and Fighting, but unless your name is Heracross, it's usually a 2-3HKO to take this guy out. General Counters: Taunt, Anything that sets up with Substitute, McGar, STABed Focus Punches/ Megahorns. Support Options -Zapdos: Gets rid of Tauntridos -Donphan: Tanks against Tauntritar -Gyarados: Takes on Heracross -Salamence: Takes on Heracross -Metagross: With pursuit, it counters McGar quite easily. A more valid option if using Toxistallbreon, as it gets rid of Immunity users and steel/poison types as well.

Author:	Prophet [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:27 pm ]
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I used Umbreon for awhile, and while I thoroughly enjoyed pissing people off with the little monster that owns things, it just doesn't suit my style of play. Umbreon is a great thing to use to laugh at noobs who can't do anything in the face of its defensive powers. It's a huge pain! Umbreon hasn't seen much use lately... It was so annoying to take out too.

Author:	Tobey [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:43 pm ]
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This thing can tank with the best of them. Cursebreon is a rather nice pokemon to use. @Leftovers Careful: 212 Hp, 162 Atk, 136 Def Curse Moonlight / Wish / Rest Shadow Ball Body Slam / Baton Pass / Return This can catch some people off guard as they'll try to throw in something to sub, you curse on the switch and then pummel the sub with the respective attack. I only wish this could EQ for some nice Gengar/T-tar countering.

Author:	daveshan [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 4:22 pm ]
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Here's a little NU except by me moveset for it. Nature:Modest W/31 values for all DV's EV's Hp-92 Att-0 Def-107 Spd-80 Sp Att-104 Sp Def-127 HP Dark Psychic Moonlight Toxic

Author:	Prophet [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:34 pm ]
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O_O daveshan, something you should know about Umbreon... Never use any attacks on it... its attack capabilties are just too horrible to try it... It's only good for stalling/walling/tanking.

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Author:	Nuetral777 [ Thu Dec 15, 2005 8:50 pm ]
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Tobey wrote: This thing can tank with the best of them. Cursebreon is a rather nice pokemon to use. @Leftovers Careful: 212 Hp, 162 Atk, 136 Def Curse Moonlight / Wish / Rest Shadow Ball Body Slam / Baton Pass / Return This can catch some people off guard as they'll try to throw in something to sub, you curse on the switch and then pummel the sub with the respective attack. I only wish this could EQ for some nice Gengar/T-tar countering. I got own'd by one of these that held a white leaf and then passed to aero. Umbreon's offensive stats are lacking extremely. The Idea of Pursuit crossed my mind though...do you think one could devise a set for that to be effective?

Author:	daveshan [ Fri Dec 16, 2005 7:24 am ]
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Prophet wrote: O_O daveshan, something you should know about Umbreon... Never use any attacks on it... its attack capabilties are just too horrible to try it... It's only good for stalling/walling/tanking. Tell that to the numberous people I've owned with that combo. It may not be the best sweeper, but it's enough to take a CMkasam with thunder/fire punch by surprise same goes for a Gardevior with the same moveset. Heck I've beaten my fair share of Mewtwos and deoxi (deoxyses? Whatever the plural of deoxys is) with it. Pretty much every time I face an Uber (except Rayquaza, don't know why) I beat it thanks to my Umbreon. Even the CMcune fails against it as it is forced to switch out and cancel its stat boost. Only real problems I have are the curselax (rest), Blissy (Aromatherapy), and steel types. EDIT:Neutral the problem w/pursuit is that you can't force the opponent to switch out his pokemon. Your best bet is to try to screw with your opponent's stats. Problem there is, Umbreon can't learn sp def lowering moves.

Author:	Synchronize [ Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:18 am ]
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Quote: EDIT:Neutral the problem w/pursuit is that you can't force the opponent to switch out his pokemon. Your best bet is to try to screw with your opponent's stats. Problem there is, Umbreon can't learn sp def lowering moves. There are a few select pokemon that switch out, mainly being Gengar and non-CM Zam. It's just something I used to use, which is why I mentioned it. Begin Turn #21 UmbreonShadow withdrew Flygon! UmbreonShadow sent out Shadow(Lv.100 Umbreon)! --------------------------------- Gengar used Substitute! Gengar made a Substitute! --------------------------------- Gengar's Leftovers restored its HP a little! End of turn #21 Alabaster Stone's Gengar: 81% HP UmbreonShadow's Shadow: 392 HP Begin Turn #22 Gengar is tightening its focus! --------------------------------- Shadow used Pursuit! The Substitute took damage for Gengar! Gengar's Substitute faded! It's super effective! --------------------------------- Gengar used Focus Punch! (202 Damage) It's super effective! I laughed when he switched instead of Thunderbolting =/.

Author:	daveshan [ Fri Dec 16, 2005 9:23 am ]
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Synchronize wrote: Quote: EDIT:Neutral the problem w/pursuit is that you can't force the opponent to switch out his pokemon. Your best bet is to try to screw with your opponent's stats. Problem there is, Umbreon can't learn sp def lowering moves. There are a few select pokemon that switch out, mainly being Gengar and non-CM Zam. I'll give you Gengar, but the only time I see a non-CM Zam is when it know trick and it's giving one of your guys a CB or Macho brace. And those are getting pretty rare.

Author:	Prophet [ Fri Dec 16, 2005 5:41 pm ]
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Chaosbreon/Toxistallbreon could own any of those pokemon you mentioned, too. And do it better. (trust me I've done it many times)

Author:	Tobey [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:50 am ]
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Toxic sucks 'cept in Ubers and UU/BL/NU. OU is like the anti-Toxic. WishSubpassing Umby is nice. Pursuit works on a non-Mc(Ice)Gar Gengar and Dusclops 8)

Author:	daveshan [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:52 am ]
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Toxic only fails if the opposing team has aeromatherapy or Heal bell.

Author:	Tobey [ Sat Dec 17, 2005 9:04 am ]
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daveshan wrote: Toxic only fails if the opposing team has aeromatherapy or Heal bell. Toxic fails if the opponent has: -Rest -Natural Cure -Sub -Guts -Marvel Scale -Aroma -Heal Bell -a Poison Type -a Steel Type -Shed Skin -Immunity -Switching Capabilities -The pokemon is just faster and lolz as it OHKOs.

Author:	Synchronize [ Mon Dec 19, 2005 9:36 am ]
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to use toxistall effectively, you'll need Pursuitgross I'm afraid.

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