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 So many choices... 

Debate 5
Miltank 33%  33%  [ 2 ]
Milotic 67%  67%  [ 4 ]
Slowking 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Empoleon 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Dewgong 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Lanturn 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 6

 So many choices... 
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Well, as some of you know, I have a BL Rain Dance team, and since it's primarily Water type Pokemon, there are a LOT of options. So I need your opinion to decide which Pokemon to use over another Pokemon, maybe two. Here's my current team in brief:

Ludicolo: Rain Dancer, Annoyer, Sponge
Floatzel: Swift Swim Physical Sweeper
Kingdra: Rain Dancer, Swift Swim Mixed Sweeper
Gorebyss: Rain Dancer, Swift Swim Special Sweeper
Quagsire: Physical Tank, possibly Hazer
Miltank: Cleric, Physical Tank

And here are the options:

1.Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed
pros:
Ludicolo - great typing, works well with Toxic and Leech Seed, good stats, functions w/out Lefties (Rain Dish), easy to use Rain Dance
Lanturn - great typing, has Twave, good Sponge, eliminates Electric weakness, can Rain Dance
Politoed - Hazer (stops Ninjask!), possibly Hypnosis

cons:
Ludicolo - weak to Flying (Yanmega, Swellow)
Lanturn - weak to EQ, hard to get in Rain Dance
Politoed - not so great typing, hard to fit in Rain Dance


2.Floatzel vs. Kabutops vs. Azumarril
pros:
Floatzel - Swift Swim (fastest in game with it), moveset hits 12 types, good Atk
Kabutops - Swift Swim, great Atk and Def, can survive for SD
Azumarril - Huge Power doubles Atk, Choice Banded Auqa Jet does damage, great HP

cons:
Floatzel - doesn't survive long, doesn't cover Electric and others, no EQ/SE
Kabutops - weak to Ground/Fighting
Azumarril - only base 50 Atk, bad Spd

3.Gorebyss vs. Omastar

pros:
Gorebyss: Swift Swim - can easily set it up, good Sp.Atk, good Def
Omastar: Swift Swim - can easily set it up, good Sp.Atk, great Def

cons:
Gorebyss: horrible HP, bad Sp.def
Omastar: bad Sp.def and HP, bad typing, bad to use with Kabutops


4.Quagsire vs. Gastrodon

*these two are nearly exactly alike so I will list similarities and differences*
similarities:
moves: Rain Dance, EQ, Amnesia, Curse, Counter, Stockpile
stats: all are very similar
differences:
moves:
Gastrodon - Recover
Quagsire - Haze
stats - Def and Sp.Def are switched between the 2


5.Miltank vs. Milotic vs. Slowking vs. Empoleon vs. Dewgong vs. Lanturn

pros:
Miltank - Cleric, good Curser, has Milk Drink, has Scrappy
Milotic - good defensive stats, good ability, Hypnosis
Slowking - good Sp.Atk, Sp.Def, and HP, has Slack Off and Twave
Empoleon - good Sp.Atk and Sp.Def, good support moves
Dewgong - great ability (Hydration), great combo with ability, Rain Dances easily
Lanturn: *see Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed*

cons:
Miltank: (none)
Milotic: weak to Electric
Slowking: weak to Dark and Electric
Empoleon: weak to Fighting/Electric/Ground
Dewgong: bad typing, weak to Fighting/Electric/Ground
Lanturn: *see Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed*

Ok, well this is what I am considering, hope it makes sense and seems logical to you. If you would like to vote, please post like this:

# of debate:
Pokemon you choose:
Explanation:

Thanks!

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superblah wrote:



1.Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed

Good Drainer

2.Floatzel vs. Kabutops vs. Azumarril

Cause of spd in RD, plus it learns Crunch

3.Gorebyss vs. Omastar

better stats



4.Quagsire vs. Gastrodon

Gas coz it has much better stats

5.Miltank vs. Milotic vs. Slowking vs. Empoleon vs. Dewgong vs. Lanturn

Milotic has good defs both in def and sp def, and it can be sweeper as well
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Okay so that's:

1. Ludicolo - 1 | Lanturn - 0 | Politoed - 0
2. Floatzel - 1 | Kabutops - 0 | Azumarril - 0
3. Gorebyss - 0 | Omastar - 0
4. Quagsire - 0 | Gastrodon - 1
5. Miltank - 0 | Milotic - 1 | Slowking - 0 | Empoleon - 0 | Dewgong - 0 | Lanturn - 0

I would like more votes please!

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Add a poll, innt

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Roar Of Time wrote:
Add a poll, innt


I would have to add 5 polls. Is that possible?

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Of course its possible

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Mr.Chaos wrote:
Of course its possible


Well, I don't think it is. I know you can have 5 options but I doubt you can have 5 different polls... So I am just going to do Debate 5 since it's the longest...

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i really like milotic..ALOT...but unfortunately you already got enough grass and electirc weaknesses on your team...so i go for Miltank...and it's also a cleric which is good on your team


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superblah wrote:
Well, as some of you know, I have a BL Rain Dance team, and since it's primarily Water type Pokemon, there are a LOT of options. So I need your opinion to decide which Pokemon to use over another Pokemon, maybe two. Here's my current team in brief:

Ludicolo: Rain Dancer, Annoyer, Sponge
Floatzel: Swift Swim Physical Sweeper
Kingdra: Rain Dancer, Swift Swim Mixed Sweeper
Gorebyss: Rain Dancer, Swift Swim Special Sweeper
Quagsire: Physical Tank, possibly Hazer
Miltank: Cleric, Physical Tank

And here are the options:

1.Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed
pros:
Ludicolo - great typing, works well with Toxic and Leech Seed, good stats, functions w/out Lefties (Rain Dish), easy to use Rain Dance (He reduces your weakness to electric, use the leftovers (Leftovers + Rain dish = :D)
Lanturn - great typing, has Twave, good Sponge, eliminates Electric weakness, can Rain Dance
Politoed - Hazer (stops Ninjask!), possibly Hypnosis

cons:
Ludicolo - weak to Flying (Yanmega, Swellow)
Lanturn - weak to EQ, hard to get in Rain Dance
Politoed - not so great typing, hard to fit in Rain Dance


2.Floatzel vs. Kabutops vs. Azumarril
pros:
Floatzel - Swift Swim (fastest in game with it), moveset hits 12 types, good Atk Go with him, for type coverage probably should choice him to reduce the chance of him getting hit
Kabutops - Swift Swim, great Atk and Def, can survive for SD
Azumarril - Huge Power doubles Atk, Choice Banded Auqa Jet does damage, great HP

cons:
Floatzel - doesn't survive long, doesn't cover Electric and others, no EQ/SE
Kabutops - weak to Ground/Fighting
Azumarril - only base 50 Atk, bad Spd

3.Gorebyss vs. Omastar

pros:
Gorebyss: Swift Swim - can easily set it up, good Sp.Atk, good Def I think gorebyss is the choice here, but you do need a spiker, so omastar is a good option as well
Omastar: Swift Swim - can easily set it up, good Sp.Atk, great Def

cons:
Gorebyss: horrible HP, bad Sp.def
Omastar: bad Sp.def and HP, bad typing, bad to use with Kabutops


4.Quagsire vs. Gastrodon
This is hard for me to call...I am partial to gassy! I think gassy hits harder and can stay in for longer (recover), but you need a BP counter - have you thought about crobat? Both of these are 4X weak to grass, and crobat resists. Although you don't have to worry about Ninjask in BL...
*these two are nearly exactly alike so I will list similarities and differences*
similarities:
moves: Rain Dance, EQ, Amnesia, Curse, Counter, Stockpile
stats: all are very similar
differences:
moves:
Gastrodon - Recover
Quagsire - Haze
stats - Def and Sp.Def are switched between the 2


5.Miltank vs. Milotic vs. Slowking vs. Empoleon vs. Dewgong vs. Lanturn

pros:
Miltank - Cleric, good Curser, has Milk Drink, has Scrappy
Milotic - good defensive stats, good ability, Hypnosis
Slowking - good Sp.Atk, Sp.Def, and HP, has Slack Off and Twave
Empoleon - good Sp.Atk and Sp.Def, good support moves
Dewgong - great ability (Hydration), great combo with ability, Rain Dances easily Go with miltank to reduce your weakness. You may want to consider a good BL fire type to cover grass. I don't know BL, but Rapidash?
Lanturn: *see Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed*

cons:
Miltank: (none)
Milotic: weak to Electric
Slowking: weak to Dark and Electric
Empoleon: weak to Fighting/Electric/Ground
Dewgong: bad typing, weak to Fighting/Electric/Ground
Lanturn: *see Ludicolo vs. Lanturn vs. Politoed*

Ok, well this is what I am considering, hope it makes sense and seems logical to you. If you would like to vote, please post like this:

# of debate:
Pokemon you choose:
Explanation:

Thanks!



??? = Quite a few of those are OU?

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jamashawalker wrote:
i really like milotic..ALOT...but unfortunately you already got enough grass and electirc weaknesses on your team...so i go for Miltank...and it's also a cleric which is good on your team


o would rather milotic instead oof ludicolo as an anooyer

recover
toxic
ice beam
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...Milotic is OU...

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KOL40 wrote:
...Milotic is OU...


Really? I thought it was BL... It's outclassed by Suicune, right? And I thought Ninjask was BL too..... :| Can you tell me specifically which are OU? The Psypokes Tier List is a lot different than the one here.

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Smogon's is probably one of the best tier lists.

OU:
Aerodactyl
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Forretress
Garchomp
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Metagross
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Salamence
Skarmory
Slowbro
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tangrowth
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Weezing
Yanmega
Zapdos

Link: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29788

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Well according to that list everything I posted is fine..... :|

EDIT: OMG, next post is 100th!!! :D

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thekiller0703 wrote:
Smogon's is probably one of the best tier lists.

OU:
Aerodactyl
Azelf
Blissey
Breloom
Bronzong
Celebi
Cresselia
Donphan
Dragonite
Dugtrio
Dusknoir
Electivire
Forretress
Garchomp
Gengar
Gliscor
Gyarados
Heatran
Heracross
Hippowdon
Infernape
Jirachi
Lucario
Machamp
Magnezone
Metagross
Porygon-Z
Rhyperior
Salamence
Skarmory
Slowbro
Starmie
Suicune
Swampert
Tangrowth
Togekiss
Tyranitar
Vaporeon
Weavile
Weezing
Yanmega
Zapdos

Link: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29788


milotic isnt on the pretty list and my idea is fine ( no it isnt but i am trying to make self fell betta) :cry:


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W00T!!! 100TH POST!!!!

Anyway, magikoopa, I'm not sure how idea would work, because Ludicolo is in the opener category, and I don't know if Milotic would be a good opener... But if I did use your moveset, then Rain Dance would be the last move.

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