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Author:  TheKid [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:45 pm ]
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I vote to keep it the way it is.
And since I applied for Ghost may I say that the really useable ghosts are:
Gengar
Dusknoir
Spiritomb
Drifblim
Shedninja(If played correctly)
Mismagius
and I think theres one or two I'm missing now.And of course you have to be wary of Dark types and other Ghosts and the occasional Alakazam so you would have to bring at least one Fighting type to deal with Darks or have one of your Ghosts learn a Fighting type move(Can they learn any Fighting type moves?I'm too lazy to check right now).But Ghosts do have some pretty good moves like Shadow Ball,Hypnosis w/Nightmare,etc.
Author:  KOL40 [ Wed Nov 14, 2007 9:54 pm ]
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Anyway, this isn't to do with rules in particular...but look at this thing!!!!! Not even a month and 200 posts! Jesus. I can almost guarantee it has the most posts of any topic if you did the ratio of time:posts.
Author:  Sapphirath [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:22 am ]
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thekiller0703 wrote:

A vote is should be, then.

KEEP rules the way they are (3 for 6v6, 2 for 5v5 or 4v4, 1 for 3v3): 2

CHANGE rules to 1 alternate for all types but Bug, Electric, and Fire: 0

CHANGE rules to 2 for all types but Water, Normal, Dragon (egg group), Poison, Rock, and possibly Ghost and Dark (maybe more): 0

Just cast a vote, please.


I seriously Vote that we keep rules the way they are...we CANNOT afford to have teams that are too predictable...an unpredictable 3 max Alternate pokemon in 6v6s would allow us at least some space to surprise the opponent...imagine if a challenger comes with a team SPECIFICALLY designed to destroy ours...we would have no chance of winning...especially for Gyms which have less then 10 Pokemon of its type to choose from...the challenger would come completely prepared cos by using Only 1 Alternate Pokemon, it's almost as good as telling the challenger what Pokemon we Gym Leaders would be using. Many Pokemon can overcome their weaknesses...but they will always be at an disadvantage when playing against their counters.
Author:  4ever_bug_catcher [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:47 pm ]
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i actually would like to vote for the 3rd option (the one with 2 pokes other than your gym type) because you might end up having a team of 3 dragons and 3 ice types, and the challenger would be wondering if he/she challenged the wrong gym O.o

having 4 pokes of your gym type sounds... even (literally, not meaning a corny joke) and creates a 2:1 ratio that everyone can follow -> 2 pokes of your gym type for every poke that is not. this will even out nicely in 3v3 and 6v6 singles, but it leaves the 4v4 doubles behind (maybe make it 6v6 doubles?)

i wish i can elaborate more, but life is tough...
Author:  undertaker [ Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:56 pm ]
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Alright final judgement:

For testing, the rules can be altered slightly (hence the alt. rule). If Kol and 4ever want to be exempt they can.

P.S. Check out RoT's tournament: NO COMMENTS ON THIS TOPIC.
Author:  Bushin [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:35 am ]
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hey peolple ,sorry for being such a pain and stuff...
but now i read the rules and everything,but i didi't see nothing
about so i'm asking...
can i apply for the poison type gym too?
Author:  KOL40 [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:37 am ]
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Of course you can. But do you have the time?
Author:  undertaker [ Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:44 pm ]
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You would have to go through the testing twice to do that.
Author:  Roar Of Time [ Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:44 pm ]
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Yay!!! I beat another person
Author:  KOL40 [ Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:34 pm ]
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Yes, chalk up another win for ROT. Also note that this win came AFTER his wifi disconnected while facing certain defeat. And also note the rematch was organized in a manner for him to have a completly flexble team and his opponent to have a completly predictable one.
Author:  airman33 [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:18 am ]
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Wow took me just over a half an hour but I read all the post alot of interesting things for example the alt. rules that killer is suggesting I think in theory it would work but only with certain types because for killer's gym he doesn't find this difficult since he can choose from pkmn that are dual-typed like Houndoom,Spiritomb,and Weavile not to mention each of those pkmn rock Houndoom-Sp.Sweeper,Weavile-Physical-Sweeper,Then an Umbreon as his tank he could own people since he's type has some rocking OU pkmn where as others will have a hard time making a well balenced team using at least 4-5 of their gyms type he can make a team with ease well anyways that is just my 2cents upon the subject

Anyways altering the topic I am ready to be tested so I'll pm Cuddles and Killer to see when I can get evaluated also when you guys test me you think you can also tell me if I can be a tester as well that way we can this done faster well that is all folks
Author:  Roar Of Time [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:39 am ]
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KOL40 wrote:
Yes, chalk up another win for ROT. Also note that this win came AFTER his wifi disconnected while facing certain defeat. And also note the rematch was organized in a manner for him to have a completly flexble team and his opponent to have a completly predictable one.


Well I had a predictable team too as well and plus my DS malfuctioned, lemme see if my sister's DS malfuctions as well. Plus the battle was close.
Author:  KOL40 [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:50 am ]
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Roar Of Time wrote:
KOL40 wrote:
Yes, chalk up another win for ROT. Also note that this win came AFTER his wifi disconnected while facing certain defeat. And also note the rematch was organized in a manner for him to have a completly flexble team and his opponent to have a completly predictable one.


Well I had a predictable team too as well and plus my DS malfuctioned, lemme see if my sister's DS malfuctions as well. Plus the battle was close.


You had a predictable team? How is choice of wateer,rock,dragon, and several other types predictable when all I had was dark?
Author:  Roar Of Time [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:17 am ]
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KOL40 wrote:
Roar Of Time wrote:
KOL40 wrote:
Yes, chalk up another win for ROT. Also note that this win came AFTER his wifi disconnected while facing certain defeat. And also note the rematch was organized in a manner for him to have a completly flexble team and his opponent to have a completly predictable one.


Well I had a predictable team too as well and plus my DS malfuctioned, lemme see if my sister's DS malfuctions as well. Plus the battle was close.


You had a predictable team? How is choice of wateer,rock,dragon, and several other types predictable when all I had was dark?


Ermm, ok, Milotic was classified in the dragon egg group, ok, Gyaradoes was added as a dragon, Grachomp was well Dragon

undertaker wrote:
Dragons added to the list is: Aerodactyl, Kingdra, Charizard, Garydos, Milotic
Author:  KOL40 [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:45 am ]
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YES, I understand that. How do you not understand that because of that your team had more durability?
Author:  Roar Of Time [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:54 am ]
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KOL40 wrote:
YES, I understand that. How do you not understand that because of that your team had more durability?


True but I had these pokemon on my team before the commncation error, so i didn't really switch them
Author:  KOL40 [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:14 am ]
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Roar Of Time wrote:
KOL40 wrote:
YES, I understand that. How do you not understand that because of that your team had more durability?


True but I had these pokemon on my team before the commncation error, so i didn't really switch them


YES, and what was the difference? It was 3v3 instead if 5v5!
Author:  Cuddles [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:08 pm ]
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personally, i dont think dragon egg-group pokemon should be included as dragons at all. i mean who cares if dragonite, salamence, garchomp all have 4x ice weaknesses - they are still among the most powerful pokemon of all (together with metagross and tyranitar). if the fire gym has to have 3 fire types, i dont think there should be a problem with dragons. to be fair, when i battled ROT he used three dragon types.

ive also experienced "unfortunate" disconnections right on the brink of victory against ROT. and really, the only sporting thing to do in such a situation is give the victory to your opponent. you dont challenge them to a rematch, and you CERTAINLY dont start changing the rules.

i really vote AGAINST the whole dragon egg-group thing. i mean, is the ground leader allowed to use any ground egg-group pokemon? i dont think so.....
Author:  thekiller0703 [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:27 pm ]
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Well, when you put it one way, Choice Scarf Weavile with Ice punch will outspeed everything thrown at it. If you back it up with a Choice Scarf Starmie, there's no way the Dragon leader can win. Unless his team is full of Focus Band users...

But Dragon is different than the other types. Excluding ubers, you are limited to Dragonite, Garchomp, Flygon, Kingdra, Altaria and Salamence. 5 are 4x weak to Ice and none can outspeed Weavile or Starmie with a Choice Scarf. They are more limited than, say, a ground team with Dugtrio, Garchomp, Swampert, Torterra, Mamoswine, and Claydol.
Author:  Cuddles [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:45 pm ]
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but gym leaders are supposed to lose sometimes. and the leaders are allowed to stipulate their own rules. so, perhaps for the sake of the dragon gym, rather than say allowing them to use egg-group dragons as their dragons, we should allow them to ban the use of one or two pokemon, or choice scarf or something like that. i realise its harder, but you only volunteer for the job if you know how hard it will be. i would have been happy to, except that it is already taken.

i guess to say it simpler, we have two choices:

1. make it a bit hard for the dragon gym leader - insist on 3 DRAGONS (the other 3 can be starmie/weavile counters or whatever you want).

2. make it ridiculously easy for the dragon gym leader and only require that he use 3 pokemon from the dragon egg-group. i mean milotic, tyranitar, gyarados, lapras, etc. thats not really a gym battle if you ask me.

if the choice is to tilt the balance in favour of the leader or the challenger, it really should be towards the challenger.
Author:  Roar Of Time [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:26 pm ]
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^ I used, Garchomp, Milotic, and Gyardoes, Starmie, Bronzong, Gengar,- those I used before that damn communcation error and after that C.E. I used Milotic, Gyarados, and Garchomp
Author:  undertaker [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:40 pm ]
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Alright so WTF is going on? If you are winning a match or losing it and you disconnect, doesnt that mean you automatically lose?

Plus we have that voting thing that Cuddles started up for that Dragon situation. KOL is not in the voting this time for obvious reasons.

And...

We have all the applicants filled out so testers be ready.
Author:  4ever_bug_catcher [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:02 pm ]
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not being nitpicky, but Ghett0's name is spelled with 0 (zero) at the end

i vote for no to the dragon egg group... from my standpoint, I want only one of two things to happen in regard to it:

1) dragon gym leaders can only use the dragon egg group on their team (which, RoT is used in 3v3, but having only one dragon-type on a "dragon" team in a team of 6 should be frowned upon)

OR

2) they go by the rules the majority here will follow (3 dragons in a team of 6, etc)

no offense or anything, but live with it; I'm going to have a hard time with ice beams too, along with surfs (which I should fear more) and grass knots.
Author:  Cuddles [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:06 pm ]
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Roar Of Time wrote:
^ I used, Garchomp, Milotic, and Gyardoes, Starmie, Bronzong, Gengar,- those I used before that damn communcation error and after that C.E. I used Milotic, Gyarados, and Garchomp


to me, thats just a pretty balanced team. bronzong and starmie should be enough to counter your problem against ice.

i personally think that any gym battle with that team shouldnt count. it only has one dragon.

and about the disconnection. i think that if there is a disconnection, if it is obvious who was going to win, they should be awarded the match. if it has only gone for a few turns then the battlers should try and recreate the exact battle situation. eg i battled someone (maybe thekiller or someone else) and i KO'ed their forretress on the first go. then there was a comm error. we just started the battle again and he let me do the same move, so it went the same way. if neither of these options are poossible, then the battle could be started again if both parties agree. if the battlers cant come to an agreement, then maybe an arbitrator should be told both sides of the story and decide - maybe undertaker (or a 3 way vote between undertaker, thekiller, and myself).

basically these things should be fairly simple to sort out. but if you think you are being treated unfairly, just tell one of undertaker, thekiller or myself.
Author:  Roar Of Time [ Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:09 pm ]
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undertaker wrote:
Dragons added to the list is: Aerodactyl, Kingdra, Charizard, Garydos, Milotic.


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