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Cuddles wrote:
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^ I used, Garchomp, Milotic, and Gyardoes, Starmie, Bronzong, Gengar,- those I used before that damn communcation error and after that C.E. I used Milotic, Gyarados, and Garchomp


to me, thats just a pretty balanced team. bronzong and starmie should be enough to counter your problem against ice.

i personally think that any gym battle with that team shouldnt count. it only has one dragon.

and about the disconnection. i think that if there is a disconnection, if it is obvious who was going to win, they should be awarded the match. if it has only gone for a few turns then the battlers should try and recreate the exact battle situation. eg i battled someone (maybe thekiller or someone else) and i KO'ed their forretress on the first go. then there was a comm error. we just started the battle again and he let me do the same move, so it went the same way. if neither of these options are poossible, then the battle could be started again if both parties agree. if the battlers cant come to an agreement, then maybe an arbitrator should be told both sides of the story and decide - maybe undertaker (or a 3 way vote between undertaker, thekiller, and myself).

basically these things should be fairly simple to sort out. but if you think you are being treated unfairly, just tell one of undertaker, thekiller or myself.


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Again, my opinion of the Dragon Egg group ties in with the fact that I think the gyms should have 1 non-gym-type poke.

And Cuddles, how can you honestly say that the challenger should have the advantage, yet the gym leader can have 3 alternates? It makes it TOO diverse.

And yes, the only dragon egg-groups gained are Charizard, Arbok (;)), Gyrados, Sceptile, Seviper, and Milotic. Of those, we can take out the seldom-used Seviper and Arbok, and maybe toss in Aerodactyl because Lance uses him. Add a dragon or two and you'll be fine.

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Well theres our votes. The Dragon rule has been removed officially. And the matches RoT and KOL40 had during this whole mess has not been counted. You two should just rematch best 2 out of 3 or whatever.

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Cuddles wrote:
but gym leaders are supposed to lose sometimes. and the leaders are allowed to stipulate their own rules. so, perhaps for the sake of the dragon gym, rather than say allowing them to use egg-group dragons as their dragons, we should allow them to ban the use of one or two pokemon, or choice scarf or something like that. i realise its harder, but you only volunteer for the job if you know how hard it will be. i would have been happy to, except that it is already taken.

i guess to say it simpler, we have two choices:

1. make it a bit hard for the dragon gym leader - insist on 3 DRAGONS (the other 3 can be starmie/weavile counters or whatever you want).

2. make it ridiculously easy for the dragon gym leader and only require that he use 3 pokemon from the dragon egg-group. i mean milotic, tyranitar, gyarados, lapras, etc. thats not really a gym battle if you ask me.

if the choice is to tilt the balance in favour of the leader or the challenger, it really should be towards the challenger.


HELLO...it's a Gym leader's duty to do WHATEVER he or she can to prevent the Challenger from winning...not make it easy for the Challenger to win...get my point here? Also. if the Dragon Egg group is Demolished...we will be left with an extremely so very much predictable team that everyone will find easy to beat cos they bring in Weaviles, Starmies, Froslasses and other high Speed Pokemon with Ice Attacks. It's so damm easy to win us then...Lastly, I'm still against the idea of using Only 1 Alternate Pokemon....it makes things too easy for the Challenger...we MUST have the element of Surprise if not we'll be too easy to beat...we will not let challengers find us Easy Prey.


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Sapphirath wrote:
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but gym leaders are supposed to lose sometimes. and the leaders are allowed to stipulate their own rules. so, perhaps for the sake of the dragon gym, rather than say allowing them to use egg-group dragons as their dragons, we should allow them to ban the use of one or two pokemon, or choice scarf or something like that. i realise its harder, but you only volunteer for the job if you know how hard it will be. i would have been happy to, except that it is already taken.

i guess to say it simpler, we have two choices:

1. make it a bit hard for the dragon gym leader - insist on 3 DRAGONS (the other 3 can be starmie/weavile counters or whatever you want).

2. make it ridiculously easy for the dragon gym leader and only require that he use 3 pokemon from the dragon egg-group. i mean milotic, tyranitar, gyarados, lapras, etc. thats not really a gym battle if you ask me.

if the choice is to tilt the balance in favour of the leader or the challenger, it really should be towards the challenger.


HELLO...it's a Gym leader's duty to do WHATEVER he or she can to prevent the Challenger from winning...not make it easy for the Challenger to win...get my point here? Also. if the Dragon Egg group is Demolished...we will be left with an extremely so very much predictable team that everyone will find easy to beat cos they bring in Weaviles, Starmies, Froslasses and other high Speed Pokemon with Ice Attacks. It's so damm easy to win us then...Lastly, I'm still against the idea of using Only 1 Alternate Pokemon....it makes things too easy for the Challenger...we MUST have the element of Surprise if not we'll be too easy to beat...we will not let challengers find us Easy Prey.


You're supposed to lose somtimes. AND, being a gym leader means you should be elite. Well versed in battle. Powerfull and smart enough to overcome your weaknesses. Maybe not with one, but with a couple of alternates you should be fine. Hell, I have 3 of my type and 2 that aren't and I LOVE MY TEAM. They are great. I am especially proud of my special sweeper. THE DUDE IS A BEAST! And guess what? I made him that way, from lv 1, along with all of my other pokes! Overwhelming pride that cannot come from hacking, boy i tell ya what (hank hill). Anyway, got off track. Everyone knows the four dragons are stone cold killers. How many OU battlers don't have AT LEAST ONE on their team? You wanna cry about ice beam? How do you think i feel when Focus Blast is coming TTAR's way? BAD!!!! But i get over it and counter. Hopefully, i anticipate it and wall it off. I suggest you man up, and do the same.

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Everybody... BREATHE IN BREATH OUT!!! It's a game no worries just enjoy and battle. If you fell wronged, clamly EXPLAIN YOUR SITUATION!!! Then we can work out a solution to the problem.


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undertaker wrote:
Everybody... BREATHE IN BREATH OUT!!! It's a game no worries just enjoy and battle. If you fell wronged, clamly EXPLAIN YOUR SITUATION!!! Then we can work out a solution to the problem.


Why are you yelling? No one else is. *weirdo*

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HELLO...it's a Gym leader's duty to do WHATEVER he or she can to prevent the Challenger from winning...not make it easy for the Challenger to win...get my point here? Also. if the Dragon Egg group is Demolished...we will be left with an extremely so very much predictable team that everyone will find easy to beat cos they bring in Weaviles, Starmies, Froslasses and other high Speed Pokemon with Ice Attacks. It's so damm easy to win us then...Lastly, I'm still against the idea of using Only 1 Alternate Pokemon....it makes things too easy for the Challenger...we MUST have the element of Surprise if not we'll be too easy to beat...we will not let challengers find us Easy Prey.


This is true, in the games, traniers like lance can be countered via ice beams and dragon claw, so this makes him easy to beat, plus if you take the dragon egg group rule away, you sevverely limit our options

BREATHE IN AND OUT EVERYONE, THAT'S IT EVERTHING'S GOING TO BE BETTER, THAT'S IT :P

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RoT, you can change out your pokes with the alt rule, so you won't have that much of a disadvantage.

Sapp, 1 Alt matches are only for 3v3's.


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RoT, you can change out your pokes with the alt rule, so you won't have that much of a disadvantage.

Sapp, 1 Alt matches are only for 3v3's.


So now I can have a team like this- Garchomp, Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Bronzong,Gengar, Milotic

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Roar Of Time wrote:
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RoT, you can change out your pokes with the alt rule, so you won't have that much of a disadvantage.

Sapp, 1 Alt matches are only for 3v3's.


So now I can have a team like this- Garchomp, Aerodactyl, Dragonite, Bronzong,Gengar, Milotic


No- You need at least 3 Pokemon whose type says "Dragon"

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OH...........ok...............I'll do it

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Sorry 'bout the double post but shall I have another battle with KOL40 and I'll use my sis's DS for it ok


in my opinion you should just admit that you were about to lose that match when a disconnection happened, and award the badge to KOL. dont forget you did the same thing to me, and i have heard of at least one other situation where you did the same thing. seeing as you are the only person i have heard of doing this (on this site), dont you think that starts to sound a bit sus? THREE times, just when youre about to lose.......

as for the dragon thing, if youre scared of the opponent bringing 6 ice types (or whatever), just bring blissey and brozong to counter special and physical ice attacks (respectively).

i had a challenge from ghett0 the other day, and he did a lot better than i expected. but even just having 3 normal types means a well-prepared challenger can do very well against you. if you volunteer for the dragon gym, then you must do so knowing that you have some severe weaknesses.

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Cuddles wrote:
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Sorry 'bout the double post but shall I have another battle with KOL40 and I'll use my sis's DS for it ok


in my opinion you should just admit that you were about to lose that match when a disconnection happened, and award the badge to KOL. dont forget you did the same thing to me, and i have heard of at least one other situation where you did the same thing. seeing as you are the only person i have heard of doing this (on this site), dont you think that starts to sound a bit sus? THREE times, just when youre about to lose.......

The KOL40 battle.....well we had both about 4 pokes left so I wasn't losing.

i had a challenge from ghett0 the other day, and he did a lot better than i expected. but even just having 3 normal types means a well-prepared challenger can do very well against you. if you volunteer for the dragon gym, then you must do so knowing that you have some severe weaknesses.

I know I've faced Ghett0 lots of times and every time he has greatly approved and my sis's DS well my sis has ued its wireless many times and it has never failed. My DS is broken near the wireless transvirer, that is probably why, it always gets a error, I may even get a new DS

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Alright whatever the cost, RoT or anyone else, if I find out that the rules or broken, such as intentional disconnection (which you will allow the win), then you will:

1st infraction- 2 week suspension
2nd infraction- 1 month suspension
3rd infraction- 2 month suspension and/or removal of GYM
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Cuddles wrote:
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Sorry 'bout the double post but shall I have another battle with KOL40 and I'll use my sis's DS for it ok


in my opinion you should just admit that you were about to lose that match when a disconnection happened, and award the badge to KOL. dont forget you did the same thing to me, and i have heard of at least one other situation where you did the same thing. seeing as you are the only person i have heard of doing this (on this site), dont you think that starts to sound a bit sus? THREE times, just when youre about to lose.......
The KOL40 battle.....well we had both about 4 pokes left so I wasn't losing.


NO, I had 4 and you had TWO. You had only garchomp and one more either dragonite or milotic. I don't know who because you hadn't brought it out yet. I still had everyone but Spiritomb.

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Alright for the time being just stop talkin about the disconnection situation. If it happens again then the penalty system will be in place.


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yes, lets stop it. but to be fair to KOL, i think he should be awarded the win. and for ROT's dishonesty (the jury is out on the deliberateness of the disconnections, but lying about how many pokemon were left....) that should be a pretty severe warning. this gym thing is all about having fun, not about the ego's of the leaders. if youre going to lose, then fine. you have to expect it - like i said, i even got a run for my money with ghett0.....

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yes, lets stop it. but to be fair to KOL, i think he should be awarded the win. and for ROT's dishonesty (the jury is out on the deliberateness of the disconnections, but lying about how many pokemon were left....) that should be a pretty severe warning. this gym thing is all about having fun, not about the ego's of the leaders. if youre going to lose, then fine. you have to expect it - like i said, i even got a run for my money with ghett0.....


Ghett0 gave it to ya? He was kinda a pushover to me, and i was annoyed at him more than anything. A special sweeper Blissey? WHY?

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Hmmmm....things are getting more and more confusing...if the Dragon Egg group is allowed as non-alternate Pokemon or main "Dragons" in the Gym Leader's team...then WHY do we still have to have at least three Dragon Type Pokemon in our Team...it so defeats the whole purpose of even having the Dragon Egg group...the reason why the Dragon egg group was allowed in the team as non-alternates was because we had very few choices of good Dragons that will take up at least 3 of the 6 Pokemon in the 6v6 singles. This was so that we will have more of a Choice among the 3 must have non-alternates...now you're telling me that I must use at least 3 Dragon Type Pokemon...which means you're telling me to return to square 1. The above message is to remind all of you the purpose of having the Dragon Egg group and that you guys are now attempting to remove it as non-alternate Pokemon by having the rule "Must have at least 3 Dragon Types". With this...I hope that you guys finally understand that the Dragon Egg groups are classified as "Dragons" or Non-Alternates that can replace real Dragon Types as Main Pokemon in battle.

Lastly, what if a DC(Disconnection) was a real technical problem? It'll be quite Unfair to "Punish" the person right? You can't really Prove that that guy did it on purpose right? So I think the one who DCed should be considered the Loser and the one who didn't the Winner...this at least should be fairer then suspending a person for a week eventhough it may not had been his or her fault.
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Well theres our votes. The Dragon rule has been removed officially.


That's it. It was voted on, and i couldn't participate in the vote. No more discussion and no more whineing. Also, no more disscussion on the DC.

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^It wasn't a intentional disconnection, don't you get that

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yes, lets stop it. but to be fair to KOL, i think he should be awarded the win. and for ROT's dishonesty (the jury is out on the deliberateness of the disconnections, but lying about how many pokemon were left....) that should be a pretty severe warning. this gym thing is all about having fun, not about the ego's of the leaders. if youre going to lose, then fine. you have to expect it - like i said, i even got a run for my money with ghett0.....


Ghett0 gave it to ya? He was kinda a pushover to me, and i was annoyed at him more than anything. A special sweeper Blissey? WHY?


Erm I did beat him every time, he is getting better

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^It wasn't a intentional disconnection, don't you get that


NO ONE BELIEVES YOU. Sorry to be the one to tell you this. And please don't double post anymore. And please, NO MORE TALK ABOUT DISCONNECTION!!!

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^It wasn't a intentional disconnection, don't you get that


NO ONE BELIEVES YOU. Sorry to be the one to tell you this. And please don't double post anymore. And please, NO MORE TALK ABOUT DISCONNECTION!!!


I'm not trying to help/defend ROT by saying all this...it's just that the rules are very unfair concerning DCs.....if an UNINTENTIONAL DC happened are you going to suspend the person because of that? Just award the win to the one who didn't DC...I think it's much fairer...I don't want to be suspended cos something went wrong with my modem and caused a DC. Unless you guys are VERY extremely most definitely absolutely sure that you will NOT experience ANY technical problems while playing I think you guys should give a thought about what will happen if you DCed UNINTENTIONALLY and had to face the penalty which is a Suspension or a Ban.

Oh...and by saying that the Dragon Egg group no longer count as Non-alternate Pokemon, I think you're telling me that I WASTED SO MUCH OF MY TIME AND EFFORT TO TRAIN THOSE EGG GROUP POKEMON TO BE IN MY GYM! I raised a Gyarados, Milotic, Aerodactly and Charizard for NOTHING? Come on! It was so much trouble already when you people said semi-legits weren't allowed and I had to retrain those Pokemon and now you're telling me they won't be used for non-alternate Pokemon??


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