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 Brick Break or Close Combat 

Which Move is better for a Gallade
Brick Break 43%  43%  [ 12 ]
Close Combat 57%  57%  [ 16 ]
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 Brick Break or Close Combat 
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I have the following gallade:

{gallade} @ Scope Lens
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Leaf Blade
Night Slash
Psycho Cut
Brick Break/Close Combat

I am wondering which of the two fighting moves would be better for him?

If it helps any one decide, he happens to have the one the best possible DVs for speed

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Well as for me,
I will choose Brick Break :D

WHY ?

Close Combat might be strong but it reduces your Defences....
Unlike Brick Break ,can break walls AND with STAB it won't be that weak




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Gallades to frail in the first place. Using a close combat to lower his defenses is the equivalent of a blissey using superpower to lower its attack. So unfortunately for you, its all preferance. If you have another bric breaker on your team though, go with close combat for sure. gallade isnt that strong, so the extra attack helps it.

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I'd almost always say close combat, but Gallade actually does have good special defense so it's a little less valuable.

Also, if he were faster by just a bit, he'd be excellent with choice scarf.


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FaceLess wrote:
Also, if he were faster by just a bit, he'd be excellent with choice scarf.


Without Choice Scarf he really can't do much though.

Heracross has only slightly faster base Speed. Granted its movepool is a bit better too, but Choice Scarf is still a decent option on Gallade since it simply can't use Swords Dance effectively.

As for Close Combat vs. Brick Break, I'd probably use Close Combat because you will rarely get a free turn to use Swords Dance so you might as well do as much damage on a single turn as possible and switch out the next. Not the most effective strategy with Spikes and Stealth Rock being so popular now, but Gallade isn't the most effective pokemon.


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Brick Break seems better to me.

Gallade isn't exactly fragile (115 bae SpDef), so it'd probably not be worth it to lower his defenses.

Whereas with someone like Infernape, they will get OHKO'd most likely whether their defenses get lowered or not.

And Gallade has great attack, so you won't take much of a loss with BB.

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Gallade wont do much with that set unless u bp an agility to him. High dv's or not. especially with adamant. the only exception i guess is switching him in against a special sweeper or tank, but i still think faster sweepers are better than ones with defense in one stat. [IMHO]

Edit: sorry that wasnt most constuctive post ever.


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For Gallade, probably Brick Break, since it's got some nice Sp Def. Would be a shame to lower that. For other sweepers, I'd say Close Combat, since sweepers wouldn't be able to take hits anyway.


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CLOSE COMBAT!!! also use thunderwave > leaf blade since gallade is so slow.

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Close Combat is good for hit and run type pokemon.

If your Gallade is there for staying, and not using a choice item, I'd go with Brick Break. The defense is bad, but not terrible. It could take a few hits (maybe) and certainly several special ones (Base 115 SDef).

And, depending on the other pokemon in your team, I'd go with neither - Stone Edge is quite nice. The increased critical ratio is certainly good.

While the fighting move is sort of highly recommended, it isn't absolutely necessary.


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I do think you should change your moveset around a bit. 80 speed base means Gallade is required to C-scarf to sweep, and there are plenty of other better scarfers out there. Gallade has a nice sp def and access to thunderwave, hypnosis and will o wisp. You should consider using him as a support poke and not a full sweeper.

If u were to go with support, I'd suggest you go with Close Combat still, as it will likely OHKO on a super effective, in which case u'd have to switch out anyway on their revenge killer. Besides, Close Combat takes advantage of Gallade's lackluster speed, as if you (somehow) fail to OHKO, you'll have most likely gone second and thus not have been exposed to a hit right after the defense drop, giving you the chance to switch out (be careful of pursuit).

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brick break is better than close combat.Closecombat lowers defense and sp defense

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Sav wrote:
I have the following gallade:

{gallade} @ Scope Lens
Adament
Leaf Blade
Night Slash
Psycho Cut
Brick Break/Close Combat

I am wondering which of the two fighting moves would be better for him?

If it helps any one decide, he happens to have the one the best possible DVs for speed


I would say Close Combat, because Gallade has 125 Attack, but only 65 Defense. Now, there is an advantage, because he's weak to only flying and ghost. The most common ghost moves are Ominous Wind and Shadow Ball, and if any Flying move hits you, you're done for. Actually, if almost any stacked Physical move hits you, it's going to be a OHKO. You're best off actually having him know Close Combat with the held item being a Focus Sash, because with D+P's distinctions for which type of attack it is [Physical or Special], a Dusknoir's Shadow Sneak might actually take you out. You're best off counting your losses by building up ATK and SPD, because Gallade's sole purpose is the strongest Physical Psychic attack in the game, much like Gardevoir having the strongest planned Dream Eater [even though Gengar has 135 SP. ATK compared to Gardevoir's 125, Gardevoir gets STAB]. Neither of them are very useful, but I will say that I do personally like Gallade, so I guess that's why you started this thread in the first place. Bottom line, either pair Close Combat and Focus Sash, or rough it with Brick Break, putting EVs in Defense, accompanied by a good Defense nature.


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Go with Brick Break. Close Combat lowers defence and leaves you vaunerable if the target survives. Espescially if your pokemon has low Def. and Sp. Def.

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Not many standard sweeping threats that would go up against Gallade, would survive a super-effective (or possibly STAB'd, normal damage) attack from a max. attack Gallade (383). You guys are talking about "well, what if you lower your defenses and the opponent survives your attack? Go with Brick Break!"

The fact is that if he DOES use Brick Break, the opponent has a higher chance of surviving, at which point Gallade will promptly die to a super-effective attack, even with its defense at the normal level. Close Combat will destroy most things that will come in its path. Besides, as stated before, Gallade is best off with Scarf, meaning at some point you'll have to switch, so you'll switch out of that defense drop anyway.


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Taser wrote:
Not many standard sweeping threats that would go up against Gallade, would survive a super-effective (or possibly STAB'd, normal damage) attack from a max. attack Gallade (383). You guys are talking about "well, what if you lower your defenses and the opponent survives your attack? Go with Brick Break!"

The fact is that if he DOES use Brick Break, the opponent has a higher chance of surviving, at which point Gallade will promptly die to a super-effective attack, even with its defense at the normal level. Close Combat will destroy most things that will come in its path. Besides, as stated before, Gallade is best off with Scarf, meaning at some point you'll have to switch, so you'll switch out of that defense drop anyway.


Yes very good point. Gallade isn't built to stay in long, so might as well put Close Combat, KO the PKMN and swicth out (takes out defense loss as Taser said).



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How much is your {gallade}'s level? If your {gallade} is low-leveled use close combat, it'll KO your opponent more easily than Brick Break. But if your {gallade} is at high level, brick break is enough for fainting opponent's pokemon.

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psynvrn wrote:
How much is your {gallade}'s level? If your {gallade} is low-leveled use close combat, it'll KO your opponent more easily than Brick Break. But if your {gallade} is at high level, brick break is enough for fainting opponent's pokemon.


He's asking for competitive battling, psynvrn.

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Gnaaye wrote:
psynvrn wrote:
How much is your {gallade}'s level? If your {gallade} is low-leveled use close combat, it'll KO your opponent more easily than Brick Break. But if your {gallade} is at high level, brick break is enough for fainting opponent's pokemon.


He's asking for competitive battling, psynvrn.


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But seriously, since Gallade's probably going down anyway, why not lower the Defenses and go for more damage? There's no such thing as overkill in Pokemon.

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GYRADOS vs. MAGIKARP

Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Giga Impact!
Magikarp lost 99999999999999% HP!
Magikarp fainted!!!

^Overkill^
But, seriously, go with Close Combat all the way.

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thekiller0703 wrote:
GYRADOS vs. MAGIKARP

Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Giga Impact!
Magikarp lost 99999999999999% HP!
Magikarp fainted!!!

^Overkill^
But, seriously, go with Close Combat all the way.


No, no overkill. That's teaching somebody not to bring Magikarp to a battle.

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MissingNo_Is_My_Friend wrote:
thekiller0703 wrote:
GYRADOS vs. MAGIKARP

Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance!
Magikarp used Splash!
Gyarados used Giga Impact!
Magikarp lost 99999999999999% HP!
Magikarp fainted!!!

^Overkill^
But, seriously, go with Close Combat all the way.


No, no overkill. That's teaching somebody not to bring Magikarp to a battle.
Yes, that's overkill.


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