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Author:  Marilyn_Manson [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:46 pm ]
Post subject:  Thunder or Thunder Bolt ???
ok i just madea new bt team becuase my other one only got to like round 5 when i was batteling ppl over wifi on bt sooo i need some help for this one pokemon for my new bt team

Gyarados
item:Focus Band
Ability:Intimidate
Nature:Adament
Ice Fang
Earthquake
WaterFall
Dragon Dance


Arcanine
item:Focus Band
Nature:Docile(idk what this one does so i didnt try to change or ne thing)
Flare Blitz
Ability:Flash Fire
Over Heat
Extreme Speed
Thunder Fang


heres the one i need help whith ! or a better moveset. (look below its Ampharos Not Arcanine...)

Ampharos
item:??? (idk what to give him..)
Nature:Brave
Ability:Static
Fire Punch
Power Gem
Thunder Bolt
Charge

ok i need help on deciding wether to use thunder for more power or thunder bolt for more accuracy pls help ! i put the other ppl of my party for bt on there cuase i didnt no if it was good or not but ok pls help me thank you.
Author:  4ever_bug_catcher [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:50 pm ]
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always go w/ thunderbolt unless u have rain dance as well, which i see u dont
Author:  Marilyn_Manson [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 12:52 pm ]
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ok ty
Author:  Ghett0 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:05 pm ]
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You might as well put rain dance and thunder, and if it's a water type, some other water move, for example, Lanturn could be

{lanturn} @ ?????
Modest | ???????
EVs : 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 4 HP

Rain Dance
Thunder
Brine
Blizzard

I tested it yesterday.
Author:  Wilesthegreat [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:09 pm ]
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Ghett0 wrote:
You might as well put rain dance and thunder, and if it's a water type, some other water move, for example, Lanturn could be

{lanturn} @ ?????
Modest | ???????
EVs : 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 4 HP

Rain Dance
Thunder
Brine
Blizzard

I tested it yesterday.


still no...

and always use thunderbolt
Author:  Sion9 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:19 pm ]
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why is that? Thunder is a good move with Rain Dance.

but it should have Ice Beam, cause Rain Dance doesn't boost Blizzard's acc
Author:  Takien [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 1:38 pm ]
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Wilesthegreat wrote:
Ghett0 wrote:
You might as well put rain dance and thunder, and if it's a water type, some other water move, for example, Lanturn could be

{lanturn} @ ?????
Modest | ???????
EVs : 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 4 HP

Rain Dance
Thunder
Brine
Blizzard

I tested it yesterday.


still no...

and always use thunderbolt

What is with you? This was actually a fairly decent moveset here, other than blizzard (should be ice beam)...anyway, for your ampharos, get rid of fire punch and add some other special attack.
Author:  Infernape101 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 2:28 pm ]
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Thunderbolt for me unless your running rain dance with Thunder.
Author:  thekiller0703 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 4:02 pm ]
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Takien wrote:
Wilesthegreat wrote:
Ghett0 wrote:
You might as well put rain dance and thunder, and if it's a water type, some other water move, for example, Lanturn could be

{lanturn} @ ?????
Modest | ???????
EVs : 252 sp atk, 252 spd, 4 HP

Rain Dance
Thunder
Brine
Blizzard

I tested it yesterday.


still no...

and always use thunderbolt

What is with you? This was actually a fairly decent moveset here, other than blizzard (should be ice beam)...anyway, for your ampharos, get rid of fire punch and add some other special attack.

Best he's ever made, and it's still not that good.
For starters, lanturn's ability is volt absorb... held item should be lefties.
Rest for the last move. But Lanturn should NOT be a sweeper, more like a Thunder-dancer/special sponge. 252 HP, 128 Sp Def, 128 Sp Att. Watch out for EQ.
Author:  Ghett0 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:11 pm ]
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That's what it is; Thunder-dancer, and Brine to use in case thunder is not very effective. And Blizzard is for other electric types.
Author:  thekiller0703 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:16 pm ]
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thekiller0703 wrote:
more like a Thunder-dancer/special sponge.

As in, both at the same time.

{lanturn}@Leftovers
Modest, 252 HP, 128 Sp Def, 128 Sp att
Rest
Rain Dance
Thunder
Surf

Your set can't take hits as well, as well as the fact that even with the speed EV's it can't outrun much.
My set can actually take a few hits, as well as live to thunderdance.
Author:  Ghett0 [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 5:30 pm ]
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Oh, I thought you meant either. In that case:

{lanturn}@lefties
Modest | Volt Absorb
EVs : Sp Def 150, Def 150, 210 sp atk

Rain Dance
Thunder
Ice Beam or Blizzard (If you have the PP ups)
Aqua Ring

The problem with rest is it'll get utterly destroyed in the two turns it's asleep.
Author:  MissingNo_Is_My_Friend [ Sun Sep 02, 2007 8:51 pm ]
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Ghett0 wrote:
Oh, I thought you meant either. In that case:

{lanturn}@lefties
Modest | Volt Absorb
EVs : Sp Def 150, Def 150, 210 sp atk

Rain Dance
Thunder
Ice Beam or Blizzard (If you have the PP ups)
Aqua Ring

The problem with rest is it'll get utterly destroyed in the two turns it's asleep.


Don't make Lanturn a sweeper. It doesn't really have the speed for it. If you must, I'd go with a Rain Dance + STAB-boosted Surf instead of Ice Beam. If you have Rest you don't need Leftovers. Give it a Chesto or Lum Berry so that it wakes up right away. That way you come back right after the nap and hit them when they think they've got you.

Aqua Ring would work better in place of Rest if you put more EVs into both of the defenses and HP.
Author:  Glubisito [ Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:12 pm ]
Post subject:  thunder
Thunderbolt 100%,thunder 70% accuracy unless you have rain dance. Then take thunder if you have rain. But i personal would take thunderbolt because thunder and rain dance take to much room,and take to long to active in battle. You can use two thunderbolt in the time it takes you to use your first thunder.
Author:  yanmafan [ Mon Sep 03, 2007 6:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: thunder
Glubisito wrote:
Thunderbolt 100%,thunder 70% accuracy unless you have rain dance. Then take thunder if you have rain. But i personal would take thunderbolt because thunder and rain dance take to much room,and take to long to active in battle. You can use two thunderbolt in the time it takes you to use your first thunder.


Glubisto has a good point here. The only reason I would use rain dance/ thunder is if i had a team that was based around rain dance. eg, i had say a volteon/ Kabutops/ some other pokemon that benefits from rain dance. the only one that is coming to mind right now is dewgong lol.
Author:  Uros [ Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:32 pm ]
Post subject:  thunderbolt
Thunderbolt unless you have rain dance wich you don't. Plus thunder is less accuracy then thunderbolt.Thunder has a bad chance of hitting with rain dance.
Author:  yanmafan [ Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:12 am ]
Post subject:  Re: thunderbolt
Uros wrote:
Thunder has a bad chance of hitting with rain dance.


actually it has 100 percent chance of hitting with rain dance.
Author:  Uros [ Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: thunderbolt
yanmafan wrote:
Uros wrote:
Thunder has a bad chance of hitting with rain dance.


actually it has 100 percent chance of hitting with rain dance.


I meant with out rain dance.
Author:  Gaara Of The Desert [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:33 am ]
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Thunder because it cause more power
Author:  Panda [ Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:03 am ]
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Gaara Of The Desert wrote:
Thunder because it cause more power
But it also has less accuracy (without Rain Dance)

Here's a simple formula I like to use.
Thunder has base power of 120 with 70 accuracy. 120 x .70 = 84
Thunderbolt has base power of 95 and 100 accuracy. 95 x 1.00 = 95
So Thunderbolt will average 11 more base damage than Thunder. I'd pick Thunderbolt unless you have a Rain Dancer on your team.
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