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The Obsidian Wolf wrote:
bushin wrote:

My {linoone} beats it easily.

Luana
{linoone} @Salac Berry
Jolly
Ev:Hp:40 Att:218 Speed:252
Pick Up(she came from Emerald...)
-Flail
-Shadow Claw
-Substitute
-Belly Drum

I know she have great weakness,and is easily countered by many things
but i like this set and it has gave me many wins against legendaries and ubers...


Yes, because legends and ubers are things we fear in OU. *nods.*

Also, what's the 40HP EVs actually helping you survive? May as well put that into Atk.

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Do you know what amount of damage,
came from a pokemon with 220 on Att raised to 400%,
using a STABed flail with 200(300 with the STAB) of base damage???

Answer:
:twisted: ENOUGH TO KILL 80% OF THE ENEMIES IN THE GAME...
(Assuming they don't resist normal type moves...)


Answer:

Gengar: 0%
Dusknoir: 0%
Spiritomb: 0%
Forretress: Not that much
Skarmory: ^Ditto
Bronzong: Very little

Provide statistics of what portion it kills, because I'm guessing you just plucked that figure out of the air, and I'm not all that convinced it takes out the main problem that most Pokemon face: Walls. The above Pokemon are all going to switch into Linoone the moment they see it, so unless you're good with predicting and try Shadow Claw (and end up doing even less to the opponents' switched in Skarm) then this set won't work as well as you hope.

Oh, and Extremespeed is better (NYPC, ftw <3)

Anything with 100 base speed is going to outspeed and OHKO you, and that's because your item won't come into effect until you're at a quarter health; Linoone is not going to be taking between 25 - 49% damage from anything, therefore after you have Belly Drummed, you're going to get KOed. And if you Belly Drum when the opponent switches, you'll get to 50% and the item still won't have activated.

A nice set, but as already said, 'zard is the best Belly Sweeper there is in the game.



Actually, Linoone's Gluttony should activate Salac at 50%, I believe. Despite that, nothing's gonna switch out of Linoone, and will likely KO you at 50% anyway.

EDIT: Just found out Pickup was specifically there in the moveset. IN that case, this one just stinks worse.

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The Obsidian Wolf wrote:
bushin wrote:

My {linoone} beats it easily.

Luana
{linoone} @Salac Berry
Jolly
Ev:Hp:40 Att:218 Speed:252
Pick Up(she came from Emerald...)
-Flail
-Shadow Claw
-Substitute
-Belly Drum

I know she have great weakness,and is easily countered by many things
but i like this set and it has gave me many wins against legendaries and ubers...


Yes, because legends and ubers are things we fear in OU. *nods.*

Also, what's the 40HP EVs actually helping you survive? May as well put that into Atk.

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Do you know what amount of damage,
came from a pokemon with 220 on Att raised to 400%,
using a STABed flail with 200(300 with the STAB) of base damage???

Answer:
:twisted: ENOUGH TO KILL 80% OF THE ENEMIES IN THE GAME...
(Assuming they don't resist normal type moves...)


Answer:

Gengar: 0%
Dusknoir: 0%
Spiritomb: 0%
Forretress: Not that much
Skarmory: ^Ditto
Bronzong: Very little

Provide statistics of what portion it kills, because I'm guessing you just plucked that figure out of the air, and I'm not all that convinced it takes out the main problem that most Pokemon face: Walls. The above Pokemon are all going to switch into Linoone the moment they see it, so unless you're good with predicting and try Shadow Claw (and end up doing even less to the opponents' switched in Skarm) then this set won't work as well as you hope.

Oh, and Extremespeed is better (NYPC, ftw <3)

Anything with 100 base speed is going to outspeed and OHKO you, and that's because your item won't come into effect until you're at a quarter health; Linoone is not going to be taking between 25 - 49% damage from anything, therefore after you have Belly Drummed, you're going to get KOed. And if you Belly Drum when the opponent switches, you'll get to 50% and the item still won't have activated.

A nice set, but as already said, 'zard is the best Belly Sweeper there is in the game.


Yeah... it's not perfect,as i have already wrote...
And she has pick up because glutonny didn't existed back on emerald...
this is my personal {linoone} ....
Another thing...
Assume it on UU Metagame...
And i Killed some {skarmory} using this set...
And about the Flail part,
I wrote...Assuming they don't resist Normal types moves...
(Like Ghost,Steels,Rocks...),
for example an snorlax max on Hp an Def...recieves 773 on minimum damage!
An max Hp and Def Swampert recieves 647(no curses) on minimum and 437 after 1 curse...
And about skarmory if he has max Hp and Def i can take about...238(on minimum) of his 334 HP...
Enough to 2hko him or OHKO him with a Critical Hit...
So it isn't so weak as you people says...
And {charizard} is better,nobody say it isn't...
but he face the same problems {linoone} does...

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Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:18 am
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Actually, if I remember right, Pokemon who gained a new ability in D/P have a 50% chance of the ability changing to the new one when transferred. (e.g. Spheal may have Thick Fat changed to Ice Body).

I'm not completely sure on that though.

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A mixed togekiss...

Togekiss@ leftovers
HUSTLE
Lonely
252 Attack 100 Special attack 152 Speed
Aura Sphere
Arial Ace
Extreme Speed
Thunderwave

i was just looking at togekiss's stats and looked at his attack mixed with hustle and noticed that it is the same as his special attack...an arial ace takes no effect from hustle and extreme speed STAB 80% accuracy is still great...and aura sphere takes nothing from hustle either...how does that sound


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Thunderwave and Extremespeed seems a bit redundant. And without CB, Hustle-Kiss won't damage as much as you would want it to if were going to focus on special attacks. Simply put, unboosted attacks, including STAB and Hustle, won't get that far with a 218 attack stat X_x

Other than Thunderwave, that's a Togekiss that I might look forward to testing as well.


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Luxray @ Muscle Band
Ability: Rivalry
Nature: Adamant
EVs: Some for Att, Spd, and Defensive abilities (optional).
*Attract
*Quick Attack
*Ice Fang/Fire Fang/Bite
*Thunder Fang

. If the opponent is the same gender as Luxray, the latter will receive a power up, Muscle Band aids you from the beginning, and if the target has opposite gender, Attracting it may hold it back long enough, btw, Quick attack is there to strongly hit a same-gender opponent and besides you move FIRST.



You can't have both Quick Attack and ice Fang/fire Fang.

Instead, Have thunder Wave, AND GO FiRST WITH THE MOVE OF YOUR CHOICE
Also, shouldn't Ice fang>Fire Fang, Since that way you can pwn Ground type's.
I think the EV spread should Be: 252 Att 126 Sp. Def. 126 Def. 6 Hp.Since He would need the def.

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PokemonnOOb wrote:
You can't have both Quick Attack and ice Fang/fire Fang.

Instead, Have thunder Wave, AND GO FiRST WITH THE MOVE OF YOUR CHOICE
Also, shouldn't Ice fang>Fire Fang, Since that way you can pwn Ground type's.
I think the EV spread should Be: 252 Att 126 Sp. Def. 126 Def. 6 Hp.Since He would need the def.


Get a male Floatzel with Quick Attack and Ice Fang.

Luxray is just an invitation for Ground types and Electivire to jump in, so Thunderwave might be a bit useless. Also, a bulky EV spread wouldn't save itself from any Earthquakes since its defenses are below average nonetheless.


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I'm thinking of making a Persian, how well do you think this moveset will work?

{persian}
+Spd -Atk nature @ Wide lens. Limber
252 Spd 252S.Atk
-Hypnosis
-Roar
-Nasty plot/Fake out
-Dream eater/T-bolt

Basic plan is to hypnosis then roar each of the opponents pokes to bring a large portion of his team to sleep. if hypnosis misses use dream eater to recover damage once they are asleep. Nasty plot to up Dream eater's power.

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MasterChef wrote:
I'm thinking of making a Persian, how well do you think this moveset will work?


So long as you're not playing with sleep clause. If so, then might be better to just replace Roar with Tbolt.

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4ever_bug_catcher wrote:


Get a male Floatzel with Quick Attack and Ice Fang.

Luxray is just an invitation for Ground types and Electivire to jump in, so Thunderwave might be a bit useless. Also, a bulky EV spread wouldn't save itself from any Earthquakes since its defenses are below average nonetheless.


Well, most of the time's I assume they can only have 1 egg Move.

I went for the bulky spread Because It's speed is worse than it's Def, and because it would have to be strong so as to be able to do something before it died. And thunder wave because then it would be a decent annoyer that Can go FIRST.Oh well, at least I tried to improve the set.

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PokemonnOOb wrote:
4ever_bug_catcher wrote:


Get a male Floatzel with Quick Attack and Ice Fang.

Luxray is just an invitation for Ground types and Electivire to jump in, so Thunderwave might be a bit useless. Also, a bulky EV spread wouldn't save itself from any Earthquakes since its defenses are below average nonetheless.


Well, most of the time's I assume they can only have 1 egg Move.

I went for the bulky spread Because It's speed is worse than it's Def, and because it would have to be strong so as to be able to do something before it died. And thunder wave because then it would be a decent annoyer that Can go FIRST.Oh well, at least I tried to improve the set.


Thank you guys for minding that olde set I developed for one of my faves, but I've just improved it into something way different... but something that I can say it actually works, at least...

Luxray @ Expert Belt
Intimidate.
Adamant · 128 Att; 60 Def; 252 Spd; 70 Sp.Def.

· Spark
· Ice Fang
· Fire Fang
· Roar

* No, no 252/252/6 Evs investment for me, thanks.

This one is my lead for Shoddy, and with that set (and, notably, with that EVs Spread), I can tell you this: He is good.

Except for Roar, it looks like the all-normal Scarf/Band set, and that's exactly what I wanted to avoid. Being of the Choice Family means that your boost restricts you and turns you into a counterable machine waiting to be walled by something that will make fun of your struggles, like Heatran @ Fire Fang, Electivire @ Spark or Walrein @ Ice Fang.

Luxray is rather of my liking than Electivire or Magnezone for an electric type because it's a good Intimidate Leader, packs physical Boltbeam and is a phaser for all those pesky BP Chains and Wobbuffet leads, all in one!

I play against OU, my friends, and using BL/UU pokes like this is so much fun, it's easier than I thought in first place... and well, I'm proud of my pokes, they've demostrated they are all worth using... even Ledian :o

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MasterChef wrote:
I'm thinking of making a Persian, how well do you think this moveset will work?

{persian}
+Spd -Atk nature @ Wide lens. Limber
252 Spd 252S.Atk
-Hypnosis
-Roar
-Nasty plot/Fake out
-Dream eater/T-bolt

Basic plan is to hypnosis then roar each of the opponents pokes to bring a large portion of his team to sleep. if hypnosis misses use dream eater to recover damage once they are asleep. Nasty plot to up Dream eater's power.


many competative battling play with sleep clause, it's a standard rule...persian is no where near sturdy enough to handle roar, so that should be taken out....fake out is a great attack, especaialy with technician and STAB...dream eater has become a horrible move now...now that you can only put one thing asleep at a time, and also the person can just switch out and dream eater would be useless...the Nasty plot Thunderbolt seems very well as well...and you can add power gem, and get rid of roar...


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AKA MixTaria

{altaria} @Life Orb
Not sure about nature
100 HP 205 SP ATK 205 ATK
Dragon Pulse/Claw
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i have an idea...
what about a physicall sweeper {blissey} ? :shock:

{blissey} @Leftovers
Adamant
Ev:Hp & Att Max...
Serene Grace
-Earthquake
-Brick Break
-Rock Slide
-Softboiled

Try to use a {ninjask}
to pass some attack and speed...
Just for fun :lol:

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Blissey's attack=[FAIL]

it's base 10, even for fun, it will ultimately fail.

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Roar Of Time wrote:
attack=[FAIL]

it's base 10, even for fun, it will ultimately fail.


...Oh Rly?[/sarcasm]
see,that was a joke...
I think you wouldn't recognize one even if it hit you in the face...[/sarcasm again...]
Actually it got to 130 on top max,so it would get 260 with 1 Sword Dance.
it would be fun if a tyraniboah switch on a focus punch from thihs thing... :lol:
Serioulsy now...
Don't need to be this so serious about it...

EDIT:
I know i am no rater and forgive me if i am wrong...
Sorry to say this but...
I don't see much success on your Mixtaria ...
first: {altaria} is a dragon,is cute and all,but...
(S)He is nothing more than a way weaker {salamence} or {dragonite} ...
Anything that what to have the right to call himself a special sweeper,should have
a ice beam to get they,and if they do,they will get {altaria},at least this one...
even with his 105 Base S.def(his best stat...)...
Now to the Attacks...
239 max in both attacking stats with life orb...
I don't play to much on NU and UU,so i can't know for sure but...
A {quagsire} owns you,that's for sure...
or even something with Ice Shard...

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bushin wrote:
i have an idea...
what about a physicall sweeper {blissey} ? :shock:

{blissey} @Leftovers
Adamant
Ev:Hp & Att Max...
Serene Grace
-Earthquake
-Brick Break
-Rock Slide
-Softboiled

Try to use a {ninjask}
to pass some attack and speed...
Just for fun :lol:


Wouldn't STAB return be better than EQ? Blissey is slow so she'll never get the flinch on rock slide but I can see the use on those 4x weak. Also perhaps a Muscle band/Silk scarf would help her attack

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I'm thinking of making a Persian, how well do you think this moveset will work?

{persian}
+Spd -Atk nature @ Wide lens. Limber
252 Spd 252S.Atk
-Hypnosis
-Roar
-Nasty plot/Fake out
-Dream eater/T-bolt

Basic plan is to hypnosis then roar each of the opponents pokes to bring a large portion of his team to sleep. if hypnosis misses use dream eater to recover damage once they are asleep. Nasty plot to up Dream eater's power.


many competative battling play with sleep clause, it's a standard rule...persian is no where near sturdy enough to handle roar, so that should be taken out....fake out is a great attack, especaialy with technician and STAB...dream eater has become a horrible move now...now that you can only put one thing asleep at a time, and also the person can just switch out and dream eater would be useless...the Nasty plot Thunderbolt seems very well as well...and you can add power gem, and get rid of roar...


Poop, I forgot about sleep clause x.x

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So I've been looking at this poke lately, He does have some good tanking qualities....


{bibarel}
Impish @ Simple. Sleep curing berry
252 Def 252 HP 6Atk
-Defense Curl
-Amnesia
-Rest
-Waterfall/Rollout/Giga Impact

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MasterChef wrote:
So I've been looking at this poke lately, He does have some good tanking qualities....


{bibarel}
Impish @ Simple. Sleep curing berry
252 Def 252 HP 6Atk
-Defense Curl
-Amnesia
-Rest
-Waterfall/Rollout/Giga Impact


If i see something like that ...
i would send out my Machamp and Dynamic Punch ,and
send him back to hell...Yeah,he can be a tank if someone let you do all those Defense Curls and amnesias,without sending something with Fighting,grass and Electric type moves...
About everyone should have at least 1 of each on their team....

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Actually, max +Attack Machamp will have shave about half of Bibarel's HP should it get a Defense Curl in. However, I don't see this working nonetheless because it sorely lacks some kind of attacking power. This could and would work in the lower tiers though, but it ain't going to counter much due to the lack of attack.

If Bibarel gets in an Amnesia, don't even think of trying to hit it with Grass Knots and Thunderbolts: +4 special defense is nothing to laugh at.


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4ever_bug_catcher wrote:
Actually, max +Attack Machamp will have shave about half of Bibarel's HP should it get a Defense Curl in. However, I don't see this working nonetheless because it sorely lacks some kind of attacking power. This could and would work in the lower tiers though, but it ain't going to counter much due to the lack of attack.

If Bibarel gets in an Amnesia, don't even think of trying to hit it with Grass Knots and Thunderbolts: +4 special defense is nothing to laugh at.


I didn't say it isn't going to work...
I just say that if see a {bibarel} my first instinctive action would send the most powerful
Stabed,Super Effective move i know,just because i hate {bibarel}...

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bushin wrote:
4ever_bug_catcher wrote:
Actually, max +Attack Machamp will have shave about half of Bibarel's HP should it get a Defense Curl in. However, I don't see this working nonetheless because it sorely lacks some kind of attacking power. This could and would work in the lower tiers though, but it ain't going to counter much due to the lack of attack.

If Bibarel gets in an Amnesia, don't even think of trying to hit it with Grass Knots and Thunderbolts: +4 special defense is nothing to laugh at.


I didn't say it isn't going to work...
I just say that if see a {bibarel} my first instinctive action would send the most powerful
Stabed,Super Effective move i know,just because i hate {bibarel}...



Lol!

Knowing people's hatred for this poke I often wondered if they would backhand him off w/ a mild hit due to him being "patethic" To which the wall could be set up. Or be "KILL" and do their best to overkill him quickly for lols. The latter mindset would not make him a good wall.

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I have an extremely experimental Venusaur:

{venusaur} @ petaya berry
Overgrow Bold
252def 252spatk 4 HP
Sleep Powder
Leech seed
Leaf storm
Sludge Bomb

Come in and either sleep powder or leech seed, then hit them with leaf storm and switch out
The petaya berry can have a very interesting situational circumstance, Leaf storm + petaya berry +Overgrow=A very powerful attack.
Sludge bomb is there for additional STAB and to hit other grass types who are immune to leech seed

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Sav wrote:
I have an extremely experimental Venusaur:

{venusaur} @ petaya berry
Overgrow Bold
252def 252spatk 4 HP
Sleep Powder
Leech seed
Leaf storm
Sludge Bomb

Come in and either sleep powder or leech seed, then hit them with leaf storm and switch out
The petaya berry can have a very interesting situational circumstance, Leaf storm + petaya berry +Overgrow=A very powerful attack.
Sludge bomb is there for additional STAB and to hit other grass types who are immune to leech seed


No good... :?
If you have tons of Defense,why would you want to use Petaya Berry+Overgrow?
The point isn't to make him bulky,so he won't go down easily?
Why would you want i item that only works when you about to die?
(When you don't have speed to abuse it...a little tip:don't use petaya berry if you don't outspeed at least {garchomp} ...) :shock:
Better take off some Special Attack and put some Evs on HP...
Oh and his better Special attack beside Stabed moves is Hidden Power...
He is better off with Leftovers...
Leaf Storm?
Isn't it that Grass type move that works like Overheat ?
well... :?
Good luck with that...I would stick to Energy Ball/Grass Knot ...
...And poison is bad offensive type... Many things are resistent and 2 are immune...
You will be pwned by sandstorm teams and even some Steel pokes ...
{lucario} will dance on his grave... {gyarados} too...

At least yoo got Leech Seed and Sleep Powder...

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lol i got one....A kindaa mixed Sceptile

Sceptile@Peteya Berry/Life Orb
Naughty
6 Attack 252 Special Attack 252 Speed
Substitute
Focus Punch
Leaf Storm
Thunder Punch/dragon pulse/???

Suprisingly enough...looking at damage calc...you only need an attack nature Sceptile to 2HKO a blissey with focus Punch, and OHKO a gyrados with Thunder punch, however with gyrados though...gyrados CANNOT intimidate you..otherwise it's jsut a 2HKO on him with thunderpunch... dragon pulse is just there for another good special move...leaf storm is really murderous on sceptile and after substitute brings your HP down the berry will activate and also OVERGROW ability..which will raisse leaf storm's attack to an extreme level...the major problem with this set which is the problem with every other sub set, is that sandstream is too common and hail...so yeah ignore those factors for this one...


Sat Mar 15, 2008 4:11 pm
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