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Author:  koipen [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 2:50 am ]
Post subject: 
{ninjask} @Leftovers
252 Hp 252 Spd
Jolly

-Protect
-Substitute
-Swords dance
-Baton pass

{charizard} @Salac berry
252 Att 244 Spd 12 Hp (So it gets 300 Hp)
Adamant

-Belly drum
-Substitute
-Earthquake
-Rock slide

{starmie} Leftovers
252 SpA 252 Spd 4 Hp
Modest

-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Surf
-Ice beam

{aerodactyl} Leftovers
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Jolly

-Double-edge
-Hp Flying (70 power)
-Earthquake
-Rock slide

{metagross} CB
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Adamant

-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Meteor mash
-Shadow ball

{blissey} @ Leftovers
252 Def 252 Hp 4 SpD
Bold nature

-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic toss
-Thunder wawe
Author:  Peanut-Lover [ Sun Sep 30, 2007 12:54 pm ]
Post subject: 
koipen wrote:
{ninjask} @Leftovers
252 Hp 252 Spd
Jolly

-Protect
-Substitute
-Swords dance
-Baton pass
Looks good.

{charizard} @Salac berry
252 Att 244 Spd 12 Hp (So it gets 300 Hp)
Adamant

-Belly drum
-Substitute
-Earthquake
-Rock slide
You have ninjask, why drum? flamethrower > substitute, Aerial Ace > belly drum.

{starmie} Leftovers
252 SpA 252 Spd 4 Hp
Modest

-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Surf
-Ice beam
Looks good, though you may want to spin instead of psychic.

{aerodactyl} Leftovers
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Jolly

-Double-edge
-Hp Flying (70 power)
-Earthquake
-Rock slide
Standard.

{metagross} CB
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Adamant

-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Meteor mash
-Shadow ball
Meteor Mash deals with ghosts, and psychic have bad defense anyway. Explosion > shadow ball.

{blissey} @ Leftovers
252 Def 252 Hp 4 SpD
Bold nature

-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic toss
-Thunder wawe
Standard

Dragonite, with substiutute, focus punch, dragon claw, and flamethrower is better even - dragon hits everything hard.
Author:  koipen [ Mon Oct 01, 2007 9:17 am ]
Post subject: 
Dragonite @Leftovers
252 Att 252 SpA (Dragonite isnt the fastest)
Naughty

-Focus punch
-Substitute
-Dragon claw
-Flamethrower

{charizard} @Salac berry
252 Att 244 Spd 12 Hp (So it gets 300 Hp)
Adamant

-Belly drum
-Substitute
-Earthquake
-Rock slide

{starmie} Leftovers
252 SpA 252 Spd 4 Hp
Modest

-Thunderbolt
-Psychic
-Surf
-Ice beam

{aerodactyl} Choice Band
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Jolly

-Double-edge
-Hp Flying (70 power)
-Earthquake
-Rock slide

{metagross} CB
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Adamant

-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Meteor mash
-Explosion

{blissey} @ Leftovers
252 Def 252 Hp 4 SpD
Bold nature

-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic toss
-Thunder wawe
Author:  Peanut-Lover [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 2:48 pm ]
Post subject: 
{ninjask} was fine - I mean that you should replace {charizard} with {dragonite}
Author:  DarkAriados [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:19 pm ]
Post subject: 
Peanut-Lover wrote:
With natural cure and aromatherapy, refresh is useless.


Oh, my bad... :oops:

I still think {blissey}'s Thunder Wave could be replaced. It only slows the foe down. Why not teach it Toxic instead, which chips away an ever-increasing number of HP each turn until the opponent faints? 8-)
As for the nature, a Calm nature would give {blissey} a Special Defence stat gain of up to 36, while with a Bold nature, its Defence will rise by up to 11. That isn't worth it, not when you can add 25 more than that to Sp. Def by getting a Calm one (and if it has a good Defence IV, you can get 11 more points anyway).
Author:  Peanut-Lover [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 6:26 pm ]
Post subject: 
T-wave is for team support, opening the way for safe switches, and a 25% chance of disabling the opponent entirely.

Bold > Calm, for the mere fact that bold allows Blissey to survive Earthquakes (even SAB'ed) and Focus Punches (short of I believe Machamp), even a few crit-hit cross chops.
Her SpDef is so high, there's no real need to boost it 25 points.
Author:  crow [ Tue Oct 02, 2007 9:09 pm ]
Post subject:  conserns...
{dusclops} @ leftovers | Pressure
impish | 252Hp 200Def 58Sp.Def
W-o-W
Curse
Calm Mind/Double Team
??? (Mean Look/Rest keeps popping in my mind but i really dont know what move to put)

{dusclops} is unbelievably super cool!!! W-o-W+Curse is awsome. the thought of beating your opponent's pokemon without even launching a direct attack is just wicked! Pls tell me what you think...

P.S. Peanut-Lover, your right, W-o-W is better than toxi-trapping. Pls tell me what you think about W-o-W+Curse combo.


Also, could someone tell me if {metagross} can learn Counter? And if so, is it advisable/wise to replace Explosion with Counter? Here's my metagross.

{metagross} @ leftovers/choice band | Clear Body
adamant | 252Atk 252Spd 6Hp
MM
Eq
Rock Slide
Explosion
Author:  koipen [ Wed Oct 03, 2007 8:03 am ]
Post subject: 
{skarmory} @Leftovers
252 Def 252 Hp 4 Hp
Impish

-Spikes
-Whirlwind
-Rest
-Counter

{charizard} @Salac berry
252 Att 244 Spd 12 Hp (So it gets 300 Hp)
Adamant

-Belly drum
-Substitute
-Earthquake
-Rock slide

{starmie} Leftovers
252 SpA 252 Spd 4 Hp
Modest

-Thunderbolt
-Rapid spin
-Surf
-Ice beam

{aerodactyl} Choice Band
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Jolly

-Double-edge
-Hp Flying (70 power)
-Earthquake
-Rock slide

{metagross} CB
252 Att 252 Spd 4 Hp
Adamant

-Rock Slide
-Earthquake
-Meteor mash
-Explosion

{blissey} @ Leftovers
252 Def 252 Hp 4 SpD
Bold nature

-Softboiled
-Aromatherapy
-Seismic toss
-Thunder wawe
Author:  DarkAriados [ Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:44 am ]
Post subject: 
Peanut-Lover wrote:
T-wave is for team support, opening the way for safe switches, and a 25% chance of disabling the opponent entirely.

Bold > Calm, for the mere fact that bold allows Blissey to survive Earthquakes (even SAB'ed) and Focus Punches (short of I believe Machamp), even a few crit-hit cross chops.
Her SpDef is so high, there's no real need to boost it 25 points.

*25 more points. {blissey}'s SpDef can rise by up to 36 with a nature boost.

A Bold nature would be useless without EV training though, because that gives loads more extra points than the nature, which makes it far more relevant for survival.
If you're breeding for a nature, you can also lay several eggs and hold out for a high IV, which again has a greater influence on stat gain than the nature does. (If you're playing Emerald, you can check with the IV Guru which stat's IV is the Pokemon's highest, and wait for him to say Defence. If you're not playing Emerald, you can just check the Pokemon's stats and raise the one that hatched with the highest Defence stat.)
I was working on the maths. EV training for {blissey} does far more to boost Defence than SpDef in terms of proportion, because the stat gain is always 63 if you max out EVs. (That doubles Defence, but only raises SpDef by about a fifth.) But the proportion of the stat gain from an advantageous nature is always the same at 10%, which means a higher base stat equals a better gain.
You're totally right about raising {blissey}'s Defence rather than SpDef, because raising SpDef is like teaching a Pokemon moves to cover its resistances rather than its weaknesses.
From now on, I'll train my {blissey} for high Defence.

As for team support, I usually just send out the best Pokemon for the job and give them movesets that I hope will allow them to achieve victory on their own, rather than using supporting moves in case of fainting or switching. Team support isn't my strong suit. So although Thunder Wave might be a great team supporting move, that isn't my preferred strategy. Different strokes...
Author:  Flarephoenix [ Sun Oct 07, 2007 4:44 pm ]
Post subject:  Frontier Team
This is a team I'm planning on raising to take on the Battle Frontier. I lack another GBA, so I can only get pokemon from Emerald. Note: All pokemon will be lv 50.

{torkoal} Relaxed @ Leftovers
Flamethrower
Body Slam
Iron Defense
Hidden Power (Grass)/Iron Tail

{salamence} Hasty @ Dragon Fang
EQ
Flamethrower
Dragon Claw
Steel Wing/Rock Slide/?

I am looking for one last pokemon, preferably water-type, to get. I am leaning towards {walrein} for the semi-bulk it offers (90 defenses aren't bad) though I would prefer to have a physical water type. I am planning to use {salamence} as a dual sweeper, with support from the other two, depending on the opponent.

Also, I would like to get opinions on:

{blaziken} Rash @ Leftovers
Hidden Power (Ice)
Aerial Ace
Blaze Kick
Sky Uppercut

Ya, he isn't for competive, but has been my main go to pokemon for my entire game, and I'm amazed by how well it turned out even though I never EV trained it.
Note: amazing Sp. Att. Perfect IV, and is even with my Rayquaza, even though it's 5 levels lower.
Author:  DarkAriados [ Mon Oct 08, 2007 12:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Frontier Team
Flarephoenix wrote:
{torkoal} Relaxed @ Leftovers
Flamethrower
Body Slam
Iron Defense
Hidden Power (Grass)/Iron Tail


HIdden Power generally has dismally low power... you might want Amnesia instead, for protection against Water Pokemon. Curse instead of Iron Defence raises Attack power as well, which gives Body Slam a boost. (If you do use Curse, you could turn this Pokemon into a physical sweeper and tank, by giving it Leftovers and teaching it a physical move instead of Flamethrower to draw on its boosted Attack stat.)

Flarephoenix wrote:
{salamence} Hasty @ Dragon Fang
EQ
Flamethrower
Dragon Claw
Steel Wing/Rock Slide/?


Flamethrower and Dragon Claw are both special moves... you're better off going for purely physical attacks, to capitalise on this Pokemon's extraordinary Attack stat. Earthquake, Rock Slide, Aerial Ace and Brick Break is a good moveset, or else replace Brick Break with Dragon Dance (which can be taught as an egg move to {bagon} by breeding with {gyarados}).

Flarephoenix wrote:
I am looking for one last pokemon, preferably water-type, to get. I am leaning towards {walrein} for the semi-bulk it offers (90 defenses aren't bad) though I would prefer to have a physical water type.


If you choose {walrein}, then you've got three Pokemon with Rock weaknesses... you're better off with {starmie} which is a great special sweeper with Natural Cure - Surf, Ice Beam, Thunderbolt and Psychic is a stellar moveset for it (pun intended).

Flarephoenix wrote:
{blaziken} Rash @ Leftovers
Hidden Power (Ice)
Aerial Ace
Blaze Kick
Sky Uppercut


That means you don't have the Aerial Ace TM for {salamence}, right? Too bad, because you can breed for Aerial Ace on {torchic} if you have a female one.
Thunderpunch beats Hidden Power Ice, again because Hidden Power usually has lousy power. Or perhaps Slash, for more critical hits - give it a Scope Lens and it's a Critical-Hit {blaziken} or Critiken, which is often useful for getting an attack boost to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat...
Author:  Flarephoenix [ Tue Oct 09, 2007 12:48 pm ]
Post subject: 
What if I dropped both {salamence} and {torkoal}, and instead use {rhydon}? His attack and defense are lower, but it frees up slot for a pokemon to complement him and {starmie}. I mean, his attack pool is basically the same as Salamence, and has the same physical weaknesses as Torkoal (Cept Rock). And if I did do that, what would be a good pokemon to complement them?
Author:  elite42 [ Fri Oct 12, 2007 2:16 pm ]
Post subject: 
elite42 wrote:
PL: woops... for the {salamence}{gardevoir}{vaporeon}, that was my BF team (sorry for not saying so)... so brick break or rock slide is back to questioning...
Is THAT balanced?


Just reminding. Vaporeon is standard except no defense EVs and 156 sp.def and acid armour over hp electric.

salamence is also standard... rock slide or brick break?

gardevoir has 224 sp.atk, 32 sp.def, 252 spd, with t-bolt, ice punch, psychic and calm mind.
Author:  Kacho [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:56 am ]
Post subject: 
Can I just get 1 rated? for now?

Sceptile
Leaf Blade
Crunch
Screech
Quick Attack/ Agility/ detect/ Flash Swipe

this pokemon is JUST for STORY! I have no means to use it in anything besides fighting elites 4 and gym leaders..
I don't even have people to do p vs p anyways
Author:  Peanut-Lover [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:21 am ]
Post subject: 
Kacho -
Hmm...
I'd get dragon breath or dragon claw, regardless.

false swipe is good for catching shinies. But no screech.

What about the battle tower (RuSa) or the Fronteir (Emerald)?


elite42 - that looks good. Brick break on salamence takes care of t-tar, while rock slide hits dodrio and foe salamence/dragonite.
Author:  elite42 [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:11 pm ]
Post subject: 
Well, your recommendation on Rock Slide or BB, in comparison of the Battle Frontier?
Author:  Kacho [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 4:21 pm ]
Post subject: 
Peanut-Lover wrote:
Kacho -
Hmm...
I'd get dragon breath or dragon claw, regardless.

false swipe is good for catching shinies. But no screech.

What about the battle tower (RuSa) or the Fronteir (Emerald)?

Br... is there an alternative for dragon claw/ dragonbreathe?
Breeding another Treecko and training another bunch of levels are painful...

Thanks for noting the false swipe for shinies

Frontier will be a completely new team with many crossbreed, I care about that later.
Author:  Tonyfebruary6 [ Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:48 pm ]
Post subject: 
hey.....
just wondering
what are EQs
and i've been reading the Pokemon Battle Roles
and i see sumthing like HP Bug
What is that?
:S
Author:  Kacho [ Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:16 pm ]
Post subject: 
Tonyfebruary6 wrote:
hey.....
just wondering
what are EQs
and i've been reading the Pokemon Battle Roles
and i see sumthing like HP Bug
What is that?
:S

EarthQuake

Hidden Power
Author:  Tonyfebruary6 [ Thu Oct 18, 2007 12:59 am ]
Post subject: 
HELP...... im stuck don't know what to do with these Pokemon and i'm not gonna dump them HELP

Leaf Green Version
{vaporeon} Lv.85 CALM

Stats.
ATTACK - 158
DEFENSE - 142
SPEED - 159
SPEC.ATT - 206
SPEC.DEF - 209

- Shadow Ball
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Acid Armour

Basically i want to get rid of Shadow Ball due to Vaporeon's weak Attack
but if i use hidden power ... its BUG type.. :S

{gengar} Lv.85 MILD

Stats.
ATTACK - 157
DEFENSE - 109
SPEED - 226
SPEC.ATT - 330
SPEC.DEF - 146

- Toxic
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [DRAGON don't know the power]

I would like to change Toxic first should i destiny bond?
then maybe Hidden Power
Author:  Peanut-Lover [ Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:12 am ]
Post subject: 
Kacho wrote:
Br... is there an alternative for dragon claw/ dragonbreathe?
Breeding another Treecko and training another bunch of levels are painful...

Thanks for noting the false swipe for shinies

Frontier will be a completely new team with many crossbreed, I care about that later.


No, I meant that thats all fine, however, for the battle fronteir, consider giving sceptile crunch and dragonbreath/dragon claw.

Tonyfebruary6 wrote:
HELP...... im stuck don't know what to do with these Pokemon and i'm not gonna dump them HELP

Leaf Green Version
{vaporeon} Lv.85 CALM

Stats.
ATTACK - 158
DEFENSE - 142
SPEED - 159
SPEC.ATT - 206
SPEC.DEF - 209

- Shadow Ball
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Acid Armour

Basically i want to get rid of Shadow Ball due to Vaporeon's weak Attack
but if i use hidden power ... its BUG type.. :S
Breed for wish, or substitute, or something. Either that, or give it double team.

{gengar} Lv.85 MILD

Stats.
ATTACK - 157
DEFENSE - 109
SPEED - 226
SPEC.ATT - 330
SPEC.DEF - 146

- Toxic
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [DRAGON don't know the power]

I would like to change Toxic first should i destiny bond?
then maybe Hidden Power
Remove Toxic for destiny bond, thats a definite. Now, for HP Dragon - Ice Punch (Battle Fronteir) or Giga Drain (TM) are better options.
Author:  gamezfreak94 [ Sat Oct 20, 2007 8:30 am ]
Post subject: 
This team is for Leafgreen, but it could possibly get imported to my diamond, so do what you think is best.


Charizard@Charcoal
Flamethrower
Wing Attack
Swords Dance
Brick Break


Raichu@???
Thunderbolt
Iron Tail
Mega Kick
Thunder Wave

The thing about my Raichu (currently Pikachu) is that -sadly- its attack is better than its special attack. That is why Mega Kick and Iron Tail are in there.


Nidoking@???
Megahorn
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake

Persian@Amulet Coin
Pay Day
Aerial Ace
Shadow Ball
Faint Attack/Bite
Author:  Tonyfebruary6 [ Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:01 pm ]
Post subject: 
Peanut-Lover wrote:
Kacho wrote:
Br... is there an alternative for dragon claw/ dragonbreathe?
Breeding another Treecko and training another bunch of levels are painful...

Thanks for noting the false swipe for shinies

Frontier will be a completely new team with many crossbreed, I care about that later.


No, I meant that thats all fine, however, for the battle fronteir, consider giving sceptile crunch and dragonbreath/dragon claw.

Tonyfebruary6 wrote:
HELP...... im stuck don't know what to do with these Pokemon and i'm not gonna dump them HELP

Leaf Green Version
{vaporeon} Lv.85 CALM

Stats.
ATTACK - 158
DEFENSE - 142
SPEED - 159
SPEC.ATT - 206
SPEC.DEF - 209

- Shadow Ball
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Acid Armour

Basically i want to get rid of Shadow Ball due to Vaporeon's weak Attack
but if i use hidden power ... its BUG type.. :S
Breed for wish, or substitute, or something. Either that, or give it double team.

{gengar} Lv.85 MILD

Stats.
ATTACK - 157
DEFENSE - 109
SPEED - 226
SPEC.ATT - 330
SPEC.DEF - 146

- Toxic
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Hidden Power [DRAGON don't know the power]

I would like to change Toxic first should i destiny bond?
then maybe Hidden Power
Remove Toxic for destiny bond, thats a definite. Now, for HP Dragon - Ice Punch (Battle Fronteir) or Giga Drain (TM) are better options.


thx.. :D
i tested it... the HP for Gengar power is lyk 40 == so ty 4 de giga drain help :D i wish i can ice punch, but i havent enough battlepoints and 2 lazy 2 go battle :P thanks again
Author:  Tonyfebruary6 [ Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:09 pm ]
Post subject: 
am i allowed to suggest?

gamezfreak94 wrote:
This team is for Leafgreen, but it could possibly get imported to my diamond, so do what you think is best.


Charizard@Charcoal
Flamethrower
Wing Attack
Swords Dance
Brick Break
personally i lyk
DD > swords dance
EQ > Wing Attack/Brick Break

Raichu@???
Thunderbolt
Iron Tail
Mega Kick
Thunder Wave

The thing about my Raichu (currently Pikachu) is that -sadly- its attack is better than its special attack. That is why Mega Kick and Iron Tail are in there.
Return > Mega Kick for sure,
but Raichu/Pikachu aren't good candidates for competitive battling.. or any battling for that matter. >_>

Nidoking@???
Megahorn
Surf
Ice Beam
Earthquake

Nidoking is powerful in attack but not special attack
so
Sludge Bomb > Suf/Ice Beam
Rock Slide > Surf/Ice Beam
and the Sludge Bomb STABs :D

Persian@Amulet Coin
Pay Day
Aerial Ace
Shadow Ball
Faint Attack/Bite
are you just using this to get money
if not......
Return > Pay Day
and HP Fight? > Faint Attack, it's better than Bite at times :D
Author:  Tonyfebruary6 [ Sat Oct 20, 2007 9:16 pm ]
Post subject: 
pls help my gorebyss..
should it be a semi tank or sweeper?

{gorebyss} GOREBYSS
FEMALE Lv.59 MODEST @???
Stats.
HP 135
ATK 96
DEF 169
SP.ATK 211
SP.DEF 98
SPEED 79

~Psychic
~Surf
~Ice Beam
~Amnesia(if semi-tank)/Agility(sweeper)

I don't have any tanks/semi tanks so thought i mite use her
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