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More is better than nothing, right?! So stop yer whinin'!


I disagree, I mean, looking at the Pokemon introduced in the 3rd generation, how many of them, in their final evolution, would you actually consider having in your final team? Quite a few, maybe, but then if you compare that to the original 151, all of them (maybe with the exception of Lickitung and Farfetch'd) would quite happily fit in your team of 6. Whether this is intentional, or they ran out of good ideas, we will never know. I just think if they are going to add new pokemon, they should be new, and not just slightly changed old pokemon that completely devalue their original counterparts.

For example, Rhyperion, Electivire, Magnezone... they have rendered the Rhydon Electabuzz and Magneton unused... and they were such more imaginative anyway.


What's your point? They did the same thing to Slowbro, the same thing to Chansey, the same thing with Vileplume. So now theres higher versions. Who cares if they rendered the others useless. Try thinking of it this way, they rendered them more useful.


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I don't mind more powerful versions of existing pokemon; Rhydon wouldn't be a favorite pokemon for your team because of the High-class Tyranitar, so they upped Rhydon to Rhyperion so that while it doesn't match Tyranitar in most categories it is a viable alternative. Same thing with others. I agree, though, that remakes of the same pokemon are unnecessary. Like Luxray when we have Magnetrix (or something like that), or Zigzagoon and all like it when we have Rattata (they're all worthless anyway).

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personaly i think they are doing fine.

each generations had pokemon i think are pointless and others i love.

for example.

rattata and spearrow. = total crap to me, never once used one and begrudingly caught one for the dex.

magmer and electbuzz = decent pokemon but i hated them.

Arcanine an Scyther = amazing, loved them.

to name some others i hated:
Diglet
Eggsicute(i dont even care if thats spelt right)
snorlax
bellsprout
oddish.

onto S/G/C

Ho-oh = legendary of gold, i despised it. pointless considering moltress from the first generation.

Lugia = my faiv of that gen, legendary or not. the aeroblast graphic on the GB colour was badarse death ray and it looked cool.

on a side note, typholosion did't outshine charizard. it had its own place.




in the end each generation will have its own hotshots and blowhards.
but there is plenty of room for new pokemon still and inspiration for them. you just need to open your mind.

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As much as i like the core gameplay of pokemon i do agree it needs some new blood to 1. come up with some more inaginitive pokemon and 2. to rewrite teh story line. Every version has the same one just altered and updated. Always the young boy becomes elite 4 champions. Think of something else!

Remaking G/S/C i am certainly not in favour of. Yes, i agree they are by the far the best games of the series but ive played them and i dont see why i should have to repurchase them again when i already have emereld/FR/Ruby/Pearl coming soon in the post.


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now that p/d are out, what do you all think? Has it swayed your views?

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I think Nintendo did a good job with most of the monsters in this version. Yes, there was a lot of variety in RBGY, but that's because there was nothing to go off of. Everything was new.

With each generation, they had to try and squeeze new pokémon between the ones that already existed. It's hard to come up with something completely new that isn't 100% absurd when there are already 300 other monsters taking up the 'new idea' slots.

I think they did a great job with what they had left to work with.

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-blushes- I hate to say it to all of the anti-D/P lovers, But i'm in love with this game, Though i don't have it, i think the UFO is a brilliant idea, Who doesn't want one? :D

Also, Me and my friend have been imagining how the new eevee-lutions will be, like Leafeon, The more, The merrier i say!

Day and night, Evening and dawn, That brings back memories from the GSC games, It's a mix of all of the games when you think about it, And a mountain. A mountain, Guys, Thats just 'splendid' like the elite 4 says.

I will play this game for HOURS when i get it, I like hunting pokemon's, breeding them, and looking at those graphics, maybe i'll stick my old yellow version to see how far Nintendo has gone, But yes, i agree, A god pokemon is a bit too much. But hey, Didn't you think when ruby and saphire came out "C'mon! A RULER of the sea and land! PFFFT! That sucks!"

Be happy, You would wish a 'crappy' game like that would come out, If Nintendo would stop producing pokemon, But i'm saying IF.

It's fine with me that you are a bit grumpy about D/P now, You will like it later, you just need to get used to it, didn't some of you think "For crying out LOUD! 386 Pokemon!? Thats WAY too much!!" Well, I thought that at least, But i remember when i got my pokemon gold from my dad, i was eight, I said this to my brother, And i still do remember it ^.^

"Man, This dark eevee is so, not eevee! I hate him!" Look at my brags and messages (though they are few) Umbreon is my main now :D

It's just the matter of time and getting used to it, guys, Trust me, As a pokéfan plus addict, i know it ^^ Be lucky you won't need to wait until august or something until it comes out in Iceland (still wondering if i should order it on Amazon) But that is my long, boring post, whining about the same thing, but i'm just saying :D


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First of all, everybody needs to stop saying "Nintendo." Nintendo has nothing to do with the designs of the Pokemon; that's all Gamefreak's department. Second of all, the new Pokemon are better looking than the hideous creatures found in Hoenn, but they still don't have the charm of the original 251 Pokemon. The Kanto and Johto Pokemon were easily the most aesthetically pleasing, and they had the most resemblance to real-life animals.

With that said, only a few of the original Sinnoh Pokemon's designs bother me: the Bidoof/Glameow lines, Spiritomb, Darkrai and Giratina in particular. Purugly is one of the dumbest looking Pokemon ever created, Spiritomb looks akin to pixelated vomit, and I can't even tell what the hell Darkrai IS. I actually like most of the new evolutions, with the exceptions of the hideous Electivire, Magmortar and Magnezone. Overall, though, since a lot of Hoenn Pokemon looked like they were made out of kitchen utensils, PD was certainly a step-up in designs.

Perhaps the biggest reason why I dislike Purugly, though, is because we already have several Pokemon who were based on cats, so we didn't need another rehash. There are still a ton of things to base Pokemon on (ants, dolphins, grasshoppers, zebras, flamingos, etc.), so one of the disappointments I had with (mostly) Hoenn and (occasionally) Sinnoh was that Gamefreak was retreading old ground. If the designers of Pokemon can avoid doing this, then I think they will continue to create Pokemon that I like.


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Frost wrote:
First of all, everybody needs to stop saying "Nintendo." Nintendo has nothing to do with the designs of the Pokemon; that's all Gamefreak's department. Second of all, the new Pokemon are better looking than the hideous creatures found in Hoenn, but they still don't have the charm of the original 251 Pokemon. The Kanto and Johto Pokemon were easily the most aesthetically pleasing, and they had the most resemblance to real-life animals.

With that said, only a few of the original Sinnoh Pokemon's designs bother me: the Bidoof/Glameow lines, Spiritomb, Darkrai and Giratina in particular. Purugly is one of the dumbest looking Pokemon ever created, Spiritomb looks akin to pixelated vomit, and I can't even tell what the hell Darkrai IS. I actually like most of the new evolutions, with the exceptions of the hideous Electivire, Magmortar and Magnezone. Overall, though, since a lot of Hoenn Pokemon looked like they were made out of kitchen utensils, PD was certainly a step-up in designs.

Perhaps the biggest reason why I dislike Purugly, though, is because we already have several Pokemon who were based on cats, so we didn't need another rehash. There are still a ton of things to base Pokemon on (ants, dolphins, grasshoppers, zebras, flamingos, etc.), so one of the disappointments I had with (mostly) Hoenn and (occasionally) Sinnoh was that Gamefreak was retreading old ground. If the designers of Pokemon can avoid doing this, then I think they will continue to create Pokemon that I like.

I personally love Magnezone. Yes, Magneton didn't need another evoloution, nor did it really need to get stronger. I do think it looks totally cool though.

Just thought I'd throw that out there. :]

However, what you say is true. There are still a ton of animals without a pokémon type counterpart.

Where's my platypus pokémon, damn it!

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I agree with you, Frost, The Sinnoh Pokemon look better than Hoenn, though they do have few nice ones... Skitty! x3 I adore that pokemon!


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I think the main innovations in the new games are more in depth than the acutal looks of the pokemon, although that contributes as well. The versatility of movesets, the new attacks, the more strategic items and new moveset strategies (choice items, arceus, etc.) and the overall improvement on content is what made me want the game, not just how they look. there's even new type combinations (and there's still like 30 or so that havent been used i think) to throw even more in the fray.

Pokemon's not a game to be looked at, it's a game to get submersed it and enjoyed through gameplay and strategic mastery.


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I sort of understand some of their filler logic, but god pokemon are ridiculous. To prove the lack of Ideas, they just make more and more legendaries who rule anything and everything.
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i do agree that the legendaries are getting a bit out there, there's like 8 psychic legendaries now, (including celebi and jirachi) which is kinda stupid, but the newer type mixes dont bug me (mainly cause heatran's a beast, and Palkia and Dialga are both really cool imo).

At least they're getting a bit out of the box with the new ones (I mean come on, Arceus is just a really cool concept [for his ability, not his status as god pokemon]). They really could have made the trio dual types though, that could have made things a bit more interesting.


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I agree that the johto pokemon were the best. I tend to carry them the most often~

RSE was a big letdown, bth in pokemon and gameplay and
just about everything, compared to the heavenly brilliance of GSC

however, the DP pokes I do like. They seem either to have gone back to basics on some
and on others, to have gone totally wild. It's a good mix. They've improved from the unfortunate blip that was RSE

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When I took a look at the gallery of sprites, what I found was that the Pokemon increasingly got less "sharp" and more "blob". And you know the difference between "sharp" and "blob", the same way you can tell a cheap restaraunt from an fancy one. And the overall "cornyness factor" shoots upward, both in the images and in the names. Lickitung? Semi-corny. Lickilicky? Off the charts!

And the legendary problem: there's just one thing that everyone is missing. Pokemon is not the sort of game where there's one / a few ownage legendary pokemon. There is no strict hierarchy; there exists no chain such that Pokemon A is better than Pokemon B, and Pokemon A and B are better than Pokemon C, and so on. In Pokemon, each Pokemon is supposed to have its own virtues: Water beats Fire, Fire beats Grass, Grass beats Water; as Nintendo has put it before, like rock, paper, scissors. Here in Pokemon we have so many different aspects of each Pokemon, and they have not explored many possibilities. And yet we should not ask that a certain Pokemon be made just for the sake of making it, or just for the sake of catching it; the fact that I now can have a grass ice does not make me any less disgusted. Yes, there will always be some "filler" Pokemon; there will always be Pokemon better than others. The idea, though, is that the playing field must remain open; there must be many good options, mainstream or obscure, that all work. We must realize that in Pokemon, there is a circle and not a line.

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.... except where pokemon are nearly identical.

I agree that the idea of 'God' pokemon was stupid. And manipulators of time and space. I mean, the first legendaries were fun: Mew, an unclassed mystery pokemon, and mewtwo, a biologically engineered version of mew, as well as three legendary birds. But now, a God pokemon? That's just silly.

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just ignore the pokédex descriptions! they would still pw3n all if it said "hangs out in disney land" in the pokédex.


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Yea, Nintendo is re-using some ideas but you can't say ALL the pokemon are rip-offs or lame ideas.

Take a look at Darkrai, Shellos, and Snover just to name a few.

They look real cool. Nothing like any other pokemon anyway. Spiritomb is, i think, by far the most unique pokemon from this Generation. Not only are the methods to obtaining him pretty unique but the way he looks is cool too.

I don't mind how often they "re-use" models and make certain variations because if you play with the mindset that they are different pokemon, they will be! THat way you enjoy your game and don't get all angry just because there's a Pikachu look-a-like (im looking at you Pachirisu)

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I dislike lots of things about D/P (more common than 'PD'), but i dont think you can blame it for lacks of creativity.

They made a 'god' pokemon - who would expect a deformed absol!?
They made a magneton evo - who knew magneton was just weakening mankind before the final alien attack!?
They made a magmar evolution - who expected an obese duck with bazooka arms!?
They made an evolution of nosepass - a magnet that evolves into a easter island sculpture with hat hand moustache!?
They made an evolution for togetic - who suddenly couldn't stay away from junk food and beer!
They made an evolution for roselia.. uh well, ignore that one!

Also, you blame the 3rd gen for lack of creativity, and you glorify the first gen..

the Butterfree line creative!? Allow me to laugh!
i will die from laughing to hard if you let me mention:
Charizard line
raticate line
fearow line
pidgeot line
arbok line
arbok lines names
persian line
arcanine line
machamp line
golem line
dewgong line
Muk line (although i'm a big fan of Muk)
kingler line
electrode line
weezing line - and their names
seaking line
starmie line
mr. mime
tauros


thars about 50% of the first generation!

And GSC weren't that good either. Just take a look at:

meganium line (Oo the first three pokemon were on the list!!)
ledian line
ariados line
pichu, cleffa, igglybuff
ampharos line
belossom
murcrow
granbull line
ursaring line
stantler
smoochum, elekid, magby

The 3rd gen is actually extremely creative! You have obviosly missed out:
swampert line - who expected weak little mudskippers to become strong starters?
ludicolo - you know what i'm talking about!
breloom line - a pissed mushroom that evolves into a kickboxing mushroom
nincada line - ninja cicadas FTW!
camerupt line - bulky camels with volcanoes on their backs pwn.
chimecho - its a friggin windchime!


Also, here is some other things i disagree with you on:
The 'legendary dogs' arent dogs
Raikou is a sabertoothed tiger
Entei is a lion
Suicune is probably a cheetah

Also, electabuzz is defenitely a tiger!




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yeah:
how the heck can electabuzz be a cheetah?

other than that, the third gen was a lot more creative than people think, as teh platypus said. as i said, IGNORE THE FREAKING POKéDEX DESCRIPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if you do that, you'll see how kick-butt the pokémon are. DO NOT DISS THE RALTS!!!!


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The reason I still play Pokemon is for the innovations in game mechanics and new systems in the games, not new Pokemon. The DS has enabled many new things to come out of this generation.

Overall I think they've done a pretty good job. Some species are ridiculous, sure, but overall it's pretty good.

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girog wrote:

DO NOT DISS THE RALTS!!!!


Ooo.... -tries to resist the temptation of poking and yelling- GAH!

One more thing: Glameow & Purugly = Uber kitties, Who doesn't want a super tailed kitten, And a fat, pissed off cat? :333 I want.


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what is wrong with the {meganium} line? I think they are very creative personally...

The first generation was the best because the pokemon were based on real things.

The second generation was based on practically nothing, and so was genius,

The third and fourth doesnt know what they are based on, and as a result have ended up with overly obese, pigs of pokemon. (purugly, togekiss, electevire, magmar evo, magnezone etc...)

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Nintendo is running out of shapes and animals... I mean what's Rhyperior supposed to be, a two-legged rhino or a sculpture? And Budew... IT LOOKS LIKE LUMPY CHEEKS, FOR CRYIN' OUT LOUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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I um... well... I think that the flying saucer and the blimp are cool. I just think that flaming primeape and lickitungs evolution are somewhat ridiculous. But just you wait, when the 5th generation comes out (Oh you can bet your sweet bippy that there will be one) you will all be saying things like, "why can't they think up cool things like Magnezone and Toxicroak?" "406 or what ever we are at now was just enough, we don't need 523!" and it will just continue like that as more and more generations come out. And like I said, Diamond and Pearl are not the end of line by a long shot.


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