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Charphlokenapoar
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:33 pm Posts: 86 Location: Right behind you
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This is something I've often wondered about. How do they discover these new Pokémon? There are three options that I can think of: 1) All the regions up until their games have been extremely cut off from each other. 2) The Pokémon of the new generations just started existing out of the blue. 3) People had only just moved to each new region, like the people only just moved to Johto region a few months or so prior to GSC.
I understand that they just couldn't have 600 something Pokémon right from the off, I'm fine with that. And I get that trying to understand the logic of a video game is silly, but I need to. Do they address this in the anime? I just don't understand how they could have lived so long in their world without knowing about the other Pokémon from other regions. I saw a scene from that movie with Jirachi, and they knew about Lucario way back before they even had Pokéballs. So why wasn't it a part of the original Dex? I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND!
And where do they catch the starters, that's another question I've had. Can you ever catch a wild starter? Besides Pikachu, obviously.
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| Sat May 11, 2013 4:46 pm |
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Frost
THE POWER IS ON!
Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:29 am Posts: 1416 Location: Purple Ranger
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The only regions that are actually next to each other in the games themselves are Kanto and Johto. In anime, Ash needed to take a ship to Hoenn, Sinnoh and Unova, while he, Misty and Brock walked to Johto from Pallet Town. So that alone explains how those regions, and in particular Unova, which is said to be extremely distant from the rest of the existing Regions, have all sorts of different Pokemon from each other. And I'd say existing in the same world doesn't necessarily mean that the average kid would know about Pokemon of other Regions. Like, I live in the United States but that doesn't mean I know much about native flora and fauna from Mexico and Canada even though, relatively speaking, those countries are right next door.
The fact that Kanto had only Kanto Pokemon exclusively in the Generation I-based games and then things were all mixed up and 100 other Pokemon just suddenly existed in the sequels is something that's never been addressed, really. In early GSC official documents, like the strategy guide?, they said that the Johto Pokemon were all newly discovered. Perhaps Kanto and Johto were actually isolated from each other and it was only in the interim between RBY and GSC that the routes between the two were constructed. Victory Road was vastly different between the two games, after all.
The anime addressed the question about the Starters. The Hoenn episode "A Mudkip Mission" showed that there are secluded areas where Pokemon Breeders raise Starter Pokemon without having to worry as much about outside forces like poachers, and most likely it's part of their job to raise these Pokemon so that it's easier for them to obey newer Trainers. After they're grown, they get sent to the Pokemon Professors or, in more primitive areas, the Pokemon Centers.
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| Sat May 11, 2013 7:32 pm |
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GhostPony750
Pokemon Ranger
Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:00 pm Posts: 647 Location: Oops, I'm lost...
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I agree with Frost.
But it seems that the logic in Pokemon is really... unrealistic. They have magnet trains, pokeballs, other super-technologies... but they still need to walk to other cities, and sometimes they have cars, then they disappear, they still discover new regions already unhabited by humans, and new pokemons...
In Emerald version, for exemple, you see a truck in the beggining of the game. But there's no road, and you don't see this truck anymore in the game.
I always wanted to do a thread about this logic, but I tought it was not a good idea, since it probably transform into a rage thread of some sort.
Also... Diglet: "F**K logic, use scratch!"
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| Sat May 11, 2013 8:14 pm |
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Charphlokenapoar
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Sat Apr 27, 2013 10:33 pm Posts: 86 Location: Right behind you
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HA! I remember the Diglett using Scratch on me! I was thinking, "Okay, what just happened? How did this armless mole just scratch me?"
I guess that makes sense, Frost, about why the average kid doesn't know about the other Pokémon, but Professor Oak didn't, either. And he's a Pokémon Professor. In America, I'm sure that florists and faunists (not a word, but you know what I mean) know at least a little of the neighboring wildlife. And I've never been to Africa, but I know they have wild lions and those cute little meerkats (if only from the Lion King). But the isolation part makes more sense to me now. I did not know they were that far away. I guess I can accept that as an excuse. And there are still creatures in our world that are being discovered, probably. I guess it makes a bit more sense.
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| Sat May 11, 2013 9:01 pm |
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Frost
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Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:29 am Posts: 1416 Location: Purple Ranger
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The Professors don't really get a lot dialogue in the games to address those details anyway. Surely Oak now knows more than Kanto's Pokemon since he's been to Johto and Sinnoh, but it wouldn't make too much sense to include Sinnoh Pokemon in his Pokedex since they're not native and the existence of some are, as far as he knows, a rumor?
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| Sat May 11, 2013 9:35 pm |
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Coliflowerz
Dragon Tamer
Joined: Sun Sep 02, 2012 5:08 pm Posts: 105 Location: San Francisco
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I think i remember hearing somewhere that in Gen 1, you could catch starters to the west, east, and south sides of pallet town. Conveniently, they were all blocked off to the player.
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| Sun May 12, 2013 6:13 pm |
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CrazyRazey
Psychic Trainer
Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 11:51 pm Posts: 66 Location: Cerulean City, Kanto
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Your seriously questioning Professor Oak? He can't even remember his own grandsons name. Also every Pokedex starts of empty for you to fill out for them. Makes me question that all you need is a tree for a last name to become a Professor.
As for catching starters in games you can't (apart from Yellow). But in the anime it has shown to be possible. Ash has been able to catch a wild Squirtle, Bulbasaur, Cyndaquil, Totodile, Chikorita, Treecko, Turtwig and Snivy. Don't know if you can include Charmander, Chimchar and Tepig as they were released by trainers and only Chimchar was known to be caught as a wild.
Also no one questioned yet how in BW2 a lot of the older gen pokemon make there way over to Unova?
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| Sun May 12, 2013 6:32 pm |
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Frost
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Joined: Wed Aug 04, 2004 3:29 am Posts: 1416 Location: Purple Ranger
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Older Pokemon were already in the eastern half of Unova in the first set of games, anyway. Which was actually really stupid and actively defeated the "Unova is a distant whole new world with only new Pokemon!" angle that they were trying to go with at the beginning of Generation V.
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| Sun May 12, 2013 7:27 pm |
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DragoBoy
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Joined: Wed May 19, 2010 6:13 am Posts: 471
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Frost wrote: Older Pokemon were already in the eastern half of Unova in the first set of games, anyway. Which was actually really stupid and actively defeated the "Unova is a distant whole new world with only new Pokemon!" angle that they were trying to go with at the beginning of Generation V. I think that one of the rangers outside the transfer facility explained this (but I could be mistaken). Pokémon that were brought over from the other regions escaped from the facility before they were captured.
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