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I couldn't find a topic like this, so if I missed it someone please tell me and delete/lock this one right?

Anyway, I was looking through movesets, and I noticed that Heracross basically learned 1 bug type attack. Just one, and it's a part bug pokemon. I'm thinking there should be more, maybe 90bp and 100% accuracy, thoughts anyone else?

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Mon May 22, 2006 8:34 pm
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It also learns fury cutter.

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The thing is that his one bug move happens to be Megahorn which I think is one of the best bug moves there is. Sure it would be nice if he learned more bug moves but it's like asking for all rock types to learn Rock slide level up so you don't have to kep using the tutor.

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Fair enough, I just thought they should have something with better accuracy, like Hydropump vs Surf. Thanks guys :)

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Would you prefer a bug move like thrash, outrage, and petal dance that confuses the user and has only 90 base power.

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*shrug* not really, as I think I said before, water types have Surf and Hydropump, ice types have ice beam and blizzard, fire types have flamethrower and fireblast, grass types...well I don't know grass types really...

So since Megahorn matches the "ultimate" type moves, shouldn't there be a matching bug type move for the next on down? Megahorn has 120bp and 85% acc, same as Blizzard and Hydropump. So why not a bug move with 95bp and 100% acc like Surf and Ice Beam, not to mention Flamethrower and Thunderbolt?

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Actually I found this out in the other topics which featured Wikipedia's definition for Pear/Diamond. Well in the article it said that CoroCoro held a contest to name a new move, so they found a winner and..... they got to name it. The first official move for Pearl and Diamond is called Meteoric Swarm.
Meteoric Swarm is a dragon type move which its PP is only 5, Power is 140 and Accuracy is 90. Its effect is after its use, the user's spec. attack get sharply reduce. So it is kind of like Overheat, but it's for dragons.


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It sounds like a bug-type move. Meteoric Swarm is a really stupid name for an attack move IMO. I really don't care what moves are added in as long as accurate steel and rock moves (which acually do some damage) are included in. More bug moves would be nice too.

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Agreed, what about Dark type attacks? a final for them where Crunch doesn't provide...

Actually, what about an ability that heals health in Hail like Rain Dish does for Ludicolo's Rain Dish?

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I totally agree about Bug attacks that don't fail. Mega Horn is the only (somewhat) good attack that Heracross can learn, and even then, its really inaccurate and I've lost many battles on NB thanks to it. Maybe an attack sort of like Brick Break or Earthquake?

Also, not only is Bug one of the most neglected types, so is Ghost, Dark, and Steel. I think DP should focus on making better attacks for these types. Oh, and Pokemon that don's fail. :)

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They should make some more Grass attacks. That type has been neglected since RBY. At present, the strongest Grass attack that exists is Giga Drain, which only does 60 damage. Leaf Blade, whiles stronger is only learnt by three Pokemon, all in the same evolutionary line. Solarbeam kinda' sucks because in the spare turn that you have to wait, you could fire a second Giga Drain and equal the attack of Solarbeam. Maybe Leaf Blade should become a TM?

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Actually, GQ, it's just 2 pokemon that learn Leaf Blade. Treeko learns mega drain instead. But I disagree with Leaf Blade becoming a TM, its become like a part of the Treeko line, and no other grass pokemon I can think of actually has blades on it. For that matter, I can't think of any other pokemon either. Maybe Metagross or something else that could pass for a blade, but even then, if Leaf Blade's becoming a TM what about Blaze Kick?

Or they should do something like...Surf's opposite. I dunno, say improve magical leaf to maybe 75 or 80bp, or improve Vine Whip? Right now it's virtually useless except in early game. 35 bp is less even than even Snore, which is hardly useful, damage wise, except for dealing token damage while asleep. Perhaps improving Razor Leaf in terms of power and accuracy would be more viable.

While we're on it, I agree that the steel-type is badly neglected too, perhaps improving Metal Claw. 50bp is laughable.

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wenziz wrote:
Agreed, what about Dark type attacks? a final for them where Crunch doesn't provide...

Actually, what about an ability that heals health in Hail like Rain Dish does for Ludicolo's Rain Dish?
Aren't the shadow moves in XD and Colleseum dark type? They will probably be incorporrated into the handheld version.

Ludicolo will probably have two possible abilities in D/P, rain dish and photosynthesis. Photosynthesis will work the same way rain dish does except that it will be for sunlight.

As for the "no good steel moves" argument, have we forgotten about meteor mash?

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daveshan wrote:
Aren't the shadow moves in XD and Colleseum dark type? They will probably be incorporrated into the handheld version.


What shadow moves? If you're talking about Shadow Rush, its type is '???' and that attack sucks anyway.

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daveshan wrote:
Aren't the shadow moves in XD and Colleseum dark type? They will probably be incorporrated into the handheld version.


Actually, Shadow moves are their own type, if I remember correctly, they go off both attack stats (You can Counter and Mirror Coat them) and are super effective on non-shadow pokemon and not very effective on other Shadow pokemon.

I am talking about XD btw, it has around 20 different Shadow moves that would make the PD games so much better. Some are really good, some are just horrible.. (We kinda need a guide on Shadow moves now...)

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Like this one?
http://www.lolstop/xd/shadow-attacks.shtml

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daveshan wrote:
Ludicolo will probably have two possible abilities in D/P, rain dish and photosynthesis. Photosynthesis will work the same way rain dish does except that it will be for sunlight.

As for the "no good steel moves" argument, have we forgotten about meteor mash?


2 bits here, so 2 responses:

Ludicolo already has 2 abilities, Rain Dish and Swift Swim. I don't think much of Swift Swim, but I'll allow that it has its uses. I wasn't aware o fhte "photosynthesis" bit, but if that's fact, great. I always thought, though, that Sunny Day worked best when combined with BOTH Solarbeam AND Flamethrower. Still, can't deny that it then really becomes a drainer pokemon.

Now, no good steel moves. Meteor Mash is only 85% accurate. The lowest I've ever used since RBY is 95, and even then it's not often. If they somehow brought us a condition that makes MM fully accurate, like Rain Dance is to Thunder, I'd be more than happy to use it. But as it is, I'd use Metal Claw over Meteor Mash any day, like I would use Fury Cutter over Mega Horn, Flamethrower over Fire Blast...I think you get the idea. Damage, in my book, just doesn't cut it on its own, which is why OHKO moves on their own are a "leave-well-alone".

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To whoever said that Treecko can't learn Leaf Blade: oops.
To wenziz: Fury Cutter is, quite frankly, one of the worst moves in the game. It misses a lot, it only has a starting att. of 20, and Megahorn, though lower in accuracy, would kill quicker than Fury Cutter. It's like Hydro Pump; would you use Hydro Pump or Bubble, even though Bubble has a 100% accuracy?

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GQ, Furry Cutter has 95% accuracy and if I'm not mistaken that hits almost always =/. It also does double damage after each consecutive hit.
Megahorn is always better than Fury Cutter but please don't compare Fury Cutter with the horrible Bubble...

I don't see why people are complaining so much about Megahorn's accuracy. I used to go around with a Heracross on my Emerald using Megahorn very oftenly and guess what... It rarely missed ;O.

I think they should make a Signal Beam equivalent to Steel. Maybe something like Metalic Slash. Meteor Mash is only limited to the Metagross family (I think a few others learn it but their atack really fails), Iron Tail is kinda unreliable because of the 75% accuracy and Metal Claw just stinks in power.
I want a powerfull, common and accurate Steel move ;(

Also, I think we need a move that has a higher chance of Freezing. The most we have now is a freaking Serene Grace Togetic with Tri Atack (40%) and it's very random whether it will be a Burn, Freeze or Paralyze.


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Metagross, Metang, and clefable are the three pokemon that learn Meteor Mash.
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Almost every type has a move that is within 80-95 base power and 100% accuracy, which you see on almost every Poke.

Normal: Return (thankfully, max base power of 102)
Water: Surf (It's a HM too!)
Fire: Flamethrower
Grass: none but Petal Dance will get you close enough
Electric: Thunderbolt
Poison: Sludge Bomb
Rock: Rock Slide (slightly under acc but will do)
Ground: EQ (base power 100)
Fighting: none but Cross Chop / Brick Break / Sky Uppercut will do
Bug: Hello?! Silver Wind or Megahorn? BIG jump in Power here.
Flying: Drill Peck, unfortunately a bit rare
Dragon: Dragon Claw, Outrage will do too
Psychic: Psychic. Duh.
Ghost: Shadow Ball
Dark: Crunch
Steel: Iron tail but a bit low on acc, Meteor Mash may do

I think I missed out a few types. Anyway my point is that EVERY type should have a decent attack to its name. Even Shadow Ball with 80 base power is good enough to be used competitively. Below that (think Brick Break and Metal Claw) it just isn't good enough.

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You forgot icebeam. Also, rock slide is only 75bp.

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A move like that would make Heracross, and perhaps even scizor, too powerful. Imagine Heracross with salac and sleep talk, it could take almost anything out besides a steel and a few tanks, if put side by side with rock slide and earthquake. Imagine scizor dropping a HP rock or ground on a fire switch in on a salac, then they send in their grass perhaps figuring this isntthe silver wind type and this gets dropped... Useful bug pokemon are invariably high attackers if not tanks. Not like Swampert that can do both or even metagross. It would make bugs a force to be ready for if it became a standard bug move, like megahorn/silver wind is now


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They really need new dark type attacks! Better than crunch is one thing for sure. Also, they should make some kind of weather/field like move for every type. This may be a little off topic, but thry need like a dark ledgendary....never mind :?

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