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So, I've been playing for over a year, and I can't get a freaking shiny.

I'm sure you've all heard this story before, but I just wanted to hear out your own thoughts on breeding vs chaining for shinies. Chaining has caused me nothing but pain, and when I heard that breeding increased the chances of getting a shiny by 75%, I was pretty excited. But after an evening of walking backwards and forwards, sitting on eggs, with nothing to show for it, I am dubious.

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lol, hey rybo? are you talking about the medusa method? you do realize with that method you have to breed a pokemon from a different regional game with a pokemon from your game? so breeding a japanese charizard with your charizard would increase the chance of getting a shiny charmander by around 75%. lol, you cant just breed to of your pokemon and expect to get a shiny in no time. even with the medusa method, youre still hatching a lot of non shiny pokemon. and with chaining, you have to get around 40 chains before you really have a chance at a shiny.

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Ryder is essentially right. The increase in chances at a shiny in breeding (Called the Masuda method, named after Game Freak director Junichi Masuda.) requires one of the pokemon to be from a different language game than the other. I must have hatched 2000 eggs trying to IV breed a shiny Eevee. I gave up and used a Japanese female and finally the pokemon gods smiled upon me and rewarded me with 2 shiny eevees. What I do is breed batches of 400-500 pokemon without saving. I save at the end of the egg collecting, then hatch them over the next week. (While 2 incompatible pokemon sit in the daycare to level up.) Before knowing of the Masuda method I never got a shiny through breeding. Using the masuda method i've gotten 4. The chances are still pretty slim (1/2048) but it's an improvement.

When it comes to chaining, I have absolutely no experience. I can only get up to 7 chains, then i fail >.<

Does anyone know if the Daycare couple says something special when 2 different language pokemon are in the daycare? I have some pokemon that I suspect may be German, but its hard to tell.

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Mon Mar 08, 2010 10:17 am
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lol, nope, they say the same things, depending on how compatible your pokemon are.

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Hunting for shinies = waste 'o time.

Let your first shiny come to you, don't go out and find it. I can't express how disgusted I am with people wasting hours and hours of their time to find shiny Pokemon (which are basically worthless anyway). I, at one time, wanted to find a shiny Pokemon in Pearl Version too. Eventually when I was EV training my Mew I found a shiny Gastly in Old Chateau (it's kinda nice to have a shiny Pokemon from somewhere that the radar doesn't work) and I caught him.

I think you should just keep playing the game normally until you run into one. It'll be a total surprise, and that's the fun part about shiny pokemon. :)

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lol, i dont usually shiny hunt, krisp. i occasionally do for pokemon that look really awesome as shiny, but since i dont cheat i use the mesuda method which IS a legit way to get shinies. ;)

lol, anyways i had the awful luck of finding my first shiny before i had pokeballs, in the game. and my second shiny got away cuz i just hadnt bought any pokeballs yet XD

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Ryder wrote:
lol, hey rybo? are you talking about the medusa method? you do realize with that method you have to breed a pokemon from a different regional game with a pokemon from your game? so breeding a japanese charizard with your charizard would increase the chance of getting a shiny charmander by around 75%. lol, you cant just breed to of your pokemon and expect to get a shiny in no time. even with the medusa method, youre still hatching a lot of non shiny pokemon. and with chaining, you have to get around 40 chains before you really have a chance at a shiny.


lol, hey, I may have a 'NOOB' stamp on my forehead the size of a bowling ball, but give me some credit. :P

Yes, I am referring to the medusa method. Yes, I am using wo pokemon from different countries. And yes, I am aware of the fact that the chances of obtaining a shiny are still 2000-and-something to one. Hence the 75% chance ratio in my original post... ;)

And yes, I am aware of the fact that chaining requires over 40-50 chains before supposedly seeing results. I am also aware of the fact that it runs on the concept of 'gambler's fallacy', or the law of averages, and that chaining does not, in fact, increase your odds of seeing a shiny pokemon exponentially. It only increases the number of times you MIGHT see a shiny pokemon...

I probably hatched around 50 eggs last night before calling it quits... which obviously wasn't enough in this case. :)
Sigh, I shall persevere.

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lol, credit given, Ryder hands you a perseverence badge, bows, and walks away.

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*attaches credit ribbon to his prize Dragonite, and then gives himself a sour poffin*

Yum. :)

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I agree with Krisp. It is a lot more of a suprise when you randomly encounter shiny. Thats what i do. It's a lot more fun, well it is fun as long as you had a poké ball with you.

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breeding shinies is a giant waste of time, but being able to give my roomie a shiny eevee for her birthday (she's never seen a shiny since Gold/Silver) was epic :P

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im breeding just cuz of the increased chance of getting a shiny with the medusa method, and cuz my friend REALLY wants a shiny roserade. lol. but he's hopeless with breeding. no patience. XD

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I know I couldn't stand to breed that long. I can barely train for more than a few hundred battles. ._.

I've only ran into shinies in the Battle Tower... It sucks.

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im breeding just cuz of the increased chance of getting a shiny with the medusa method, and cuz my friend REALLY wants a shiny roserade. lol. but he's hopeless with breeding. no patience. XD


wow...I have successfully chained shiny {budew} in Eterna Forest (about 3 or 4 of them I think...) in Pearl as it was the easiest place to do so & chaining was also how I saw my first Pearl shiny...by chaining...it's actually harder in Platinum to chain then in Daimond & Pearl so...I don't even try to chain in Platinum anymore as it heeds painful results...& in my other 2 games I started them over so I can't chain in them yet...& I can't breed more then a box full of pokemon looking for a shiny before I give up on it so...the Masuda Method is out...try it, not enough for me but an improvement...as for seeing shinies in the "Battle Tower", only in LG...

As for which I would perfer, it depends on the method as if I haven't seen a random shiny yet then I perfer Chaining but if I have then I perfer Breeding RNG Style as Breeding is the longest method to get a pokemon I have ever seen...so, I choose "Chaining" since you get to pick what type of Pokeball you want the shiny to be in...like a Nest Ball for a shiny {misdreavus} or shiny {chansey} , etc...

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SO, I've just spent the last 2 and a half days breeding over 120 Larvitar eggs, and no shiny. But I'm not ready to give up yet. I've evaluated, and I think breeding's the way for me. ;)

CHaining does make sense though, I've decided. Though it doesn't increase the chances of manifesting a shiny, it does theoretically give you a 4/8000 chance every time you ping the poke radar (the number of grass ruffles), which equates to roughly 1/2000 anyway... The problem (and blessing) is the sparkle the grass does for a shiny. While it means you can pick and choose where a shiny will be, it also means you have to stay alert, and I don't thin there's enough Mountain Dew in the world for me...
I've just stockpiled another 100 eggs, and am getting ready to have another run at it this evening.

Must... get... shiny... before... HGSS... :)

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when i can i mix red bull with monster with root beer. :D makes me hyper alert, but the crash is terrible. lol. XD

EDIT: sorry bout the horrible typos. all fixed now :P

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Ryder wrote:
when i cahin i mis red bull with monster with root beer. :D makes me hyper alert, but the crash is terrible. lol. XD


Is that relevant?

Anyway, I like Chaining more than breeding. I haven't got a shiny doing either yet, but chaining seems a lot easier.

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yeah, ryan, it was relevant. i was talking bout what rybo had said "not enough mountain dew in the world for me...." i was saying whenever i chain, thats just what i do. anyways, i prefer breeding. it may sometimes take longer, but its still fun. and i havent chained very much, lol. :D

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Also if you have Platinum, you should definetely pick breeding since you unlocks something by breeding for the Villa & something else...

But all & all, after getting Chaining down I just have to pick it over Breeding but sadly so cause again I do not have the patience for Breeding like some better people do...

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i plan on getting platinum after i get HG. i have pearl right now. so *sigh* none of the special stuff is available to me right now. XD

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Oh, man, you guys are not going to believe what just happened to me...
So I just finished cracking open the 220-somethingth Larvitar egg, with no shinies found. I was ready to call it a night, so I went to the Global Trade, cause I'd been using all my excess Larvitar as bargaining chips, and some cruel and unusual individual sent me a LEVEL 100 SHINY HERACROSS...

I don't know whether I'm happy or sad. Probably happy. Pretty wild, eh? :)

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Oh, man, you guys are not going to believe what just happened to me...
So I just finished cracking open the 220-somethingth Larvitar egg, with no shinies found. I was ready to call it a night, so I went to the Global Trade, cause I'd been using all my excess Larvitar as bargaining chips, and some cruel and unusual individual sent me a LEVEL 100 SHINY HERACROSS...

I don't know whether I'm happy or sad. Probably happy. Pretty wild, eh? :)


Well, is it Legit?

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Ryanh181 wrote:

Well, is it Legit?


Not really an efficient way of telling, is there? I mean, it really is a shiny, that's certain. But, I mean, even if someone didn't use an AR to generate the shiny itself, who knows if they didn't cheat to make the thing such a high level...
Don't get me wrong, I'll still try for a legit shiny. But as far as I'm concerned, since I have no real way of knowing, I'd think I'll just assume that it is legit and never be any the wiser (though we all know that there's an awful lot of cheaters out there).

Better to live in ignorant bliss in this instance, I reckon. :)

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lol, congrats, rybo. i just got myself a smexi gold steelix! evolved from a shiny onix. anyways, bout your shiny heracross, apparently even if it was hacked, it has all the same things a real heracross would have, same stats, moves, etc. otherwise GTS would have rejected it. :D i also just got a shiny male ralts for a gallade, and a shiny ponyta and psyduck, all legit. lol, i be happy. btw, i got my shiny onix and ralts from mallratdogma, he breeds legit shinies for two TM's from a list of TM's he has (they're TM's that you cant buy, but not all of them are very good, i think, and the price is great, so what the heck.) for one shiny, or an event pokemon for two shinies. i got my shinies within a day or two, really quick, with good egg moves, and he nicknames em whatever you want. lol, if you order a shiny from him, tell him Ryder sent you. :D (lol, am i turning into a walking advertisement?)

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Better to live in ignorant bliss in this instance, I reckon. :)


This very much as "Ignorance is of A Virtue" believe it or not...

I'll be back with something legitamite to the Topic at hand...

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