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I know there's an EV training guide for Diamond and Pearl, but given the changes to the Pokedex and Pokemon locations, shouldn't there be an EV guide for Platinum as well?

...Also, I thought that a possibility for the EV training guides would be to suggest places to train, rather than Pokemon to fight.
A place where all of the wild Pokemon (or almost all of them) hand out the same EVs, and it doesn't matter what Pokemon you're facing in battle, would be an ideal place to train. For example, walking in the Magma Hideout in Emerald, or fishing with the Super Rod along Route 229 in Platinum - they're great places to train for EVs, because you're sure to gain EVs for a particular stat.

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I would also like to see this, I have problems training stuff like HP (No Woopers/Quagsire's on the route by Pastoria), so this would be nice for those of us who EV train on Platinum.

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I typically train on Bidoof / Starly with my pokemon holding Power items. (I use berries to remove unwanted HP/Spe EVs).

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I prefer not to use Berries, but simply to train in places where I can gain the right EVs.
Why waste EV points by earning the wrong ones? :?


I've trained in all the stats on Platinum, so I'll tell you where I train.

I train for HP on Route 212 during rain, where Shellos and Quagsire account for three out of four encounters.
For Attack, there's the pond on Route 229 (all Gyarados and Seaking, 2 Attack EVs each for each one).
For Defence there's the Ruin Maniac Cave, with mostly Geodude inside.
Special Attack is easy (Old Chateau, all Gastly).
Special Defence... best to surf north of Sunnyshore, and fight wild Tentacruel and Mantyke.
Speed is easy too (Snowpoint Temple, mostly Golbat).

They may not be the most efficient places to train, but they are the most convenient, because I don't have any Power items yet. Fortunately, I do have some Pokemon that can spread Pokerus, which has proven to be a huge help.

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DarkAriados wrote:
I prefer not to use Berries, but simply to train in places where I can gain the right EVs.
Why waste EV points by earning the wrong ones? :?

Those are great places :) The only reason I don't go to areas like those are because the pokemon are higher leveled, meaning that to use Power Items I have to either switch pokemon every battle or level up the pokemon I'm training before hand (and remove its EVs). Exp Share is an option, of course, but not necessarily the fastest one. With +4 (or +8 with PKRS) extra EVs in the stat of your choice from Starly and Bidoof, battles are both fast and rewarding. Growing EV reduction berries takes little time anyways.

If you need to get the Power Items, just defeat the Tower Tycoon (or whatever the Battle Tower 20 wins guy is called) repeatedly, as each win yields more than enough BP to get a Power Item.

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I see what you mean. With a Power item and Pokerus, it'd only take ten vitamins and 19 battles to get any stat to 252 EVs.
I have a few Pokemon at lv50 that I migrated from my Emerald game, so maybe I'll give the Battle Tower a shot. :wink: Thanks for the tip!

As for getting EVs from wild Pokemon in certain places, there's more than one "best way" to decide where to fight. There is the issue of convenience (how easy it is to get back to a Poke Center to replenish your Pokemon's PP), how many Pokemon you have to run from (because having to run away is a pain in the neck, especially if you're using the Poke Radar to chain for shinies while you're raising your Pokemon), and the average EVs you'll earn per battle (that is to say, how fast you'll gain EVs from fighting wild Pokemon, bearing in mind how many EVs they award).

I just wish there was a section for Platinum on the Sinnoh World Map. :?

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I think something that would be really useful is a complete list of what EV's are given from every pokemon, then I could pick and choose the spots that I need to train in, and could also battle trainers, albeit, having to switch out a bunch.

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Ryder wrote:
I think something that would be really useful is a complete list of what EV's are given from every pokemon, then I could pick and choose the spots that I need to train in, and could also battle trainers, albeit, having to switch out a bunch.

The Psydex lists all the EVs for every pokemon; I compiled the EV data a while back. The list is made from the Psypokes data, using a downloader program, so it should be correct. I also have a "EVTracker" program that has an user interface for EV training, that uses the given data.

Note: if the mods want to move the list elsewhere due to the size, please do.

Effort Value List


HP
Arceus: 3 HP
Azumarill: 3 HP
Blissey: 3 HP
Celebi: 3 HP
Clefable: 3 HP
Exploud: 3 HP
Giratina: 3 HP
Jirachi: 3 HP
Lickilicky: 3 HP
Manaphy: 3 HP
Mew: 3 HP
Nidoqueen: 3 HP
Shaymin: 3 HP
Slaking: 3 HP
Walrein: 3 HP
Wigglytuff: 3 HP
Chansey: 2 HP
Clefairy: 2 HP
Drifblim: 2 HP
Gastrodon: 2 HP
Glalie: 2 HP
Hariyama: 2 HP
Jigglypuff: 2 HP
Kangaskhan: 2 HP
Lanturn: 2 HP
Lapras: 2 HP
Lickitung: 2 HP
Loudred: 2 HP
Marill: 2 HP
Nidorina: 2 HP
Noctowl: 2 HP
Quagsire: 2 HP
Sealeo: 2 HP
Shedinja: 2 HP
Skuntank: 2 HP
Snorlax: 2 HP
Swalot: 2 HP
Tropius: 2 HP
Vaporeon: 2 HP
Wailord: 2 HP
Whiscash: 2 HP
Wobbuffet: 2 HP
Entei: 1 HP, 2 Atk
Delcatty: 1 HP, 1 Spe
Muk: 1 HP, 1 Atk
Piloswine: 1 HP, 1 Atk
Relicanth: 1 HP, 1 Def
Azurill: 1 HP
Barboach: 1 HP
Bidoof: 1 HP
Castform: 1 HP
Caterpie: 1 HP
Chinchou: 1 HP
Ditto: 1 HP
Drifloon: 1 HP
Dunsparce: 1 HP
Grimer: 1 HP
Gulpin: 1 HP
Happiny: 1 HP
Hoothoot: 1 HP
Igglybuff: 1 HP
Makuhita: 1 HP
Munchlax: 1 HP
Nidoran F: 1 HP
Phanpy: 1 HP
Phione: 1 HP
Shellos: 1 HP
Shroomish: 1 HP
Slakoth: 1 HP
Slowpoke: 1 HP
Snorunt: 1 HP
Spheal: 1 HP
Wailmer: 1 HP
Whismur: 1 HP
Wooper: 1 HP
Wurmple: 1 HP
Wynaut: 1 HP


Atk
Blaziken: 3 Atk
Dragonite: 3 Atk
Electivire: 3 Atk
Gallade: 3 Atk
Garchomp: 3 Atk
Groudon: 3 Atk
Luxray: 3 Atk
Machamp: 3 Atk
Mamoswine: 3 Atk
Nidoking: 3 Atk
Regigigas: 3 Atk
Rhyperior: 3 Atk
Salamence: 3 Atk
Shiftry: 3 Atk
Staraptor: 3 Atk
Swampert: 3 Atk
Tyranitar: 3 Atk
Victreebel: 3 Atk
Azelf: 2 Atk, 1 SpA
Beedrill: 2 Atk, 1 SpD
Entei: 1 HP, 2 Atk
Feraligatr: 2 Atk, 1 Def
Parasect: 2 Atk, 1 Def
Rayquaza: 2 Atk, 1 SpA
Torterra: 2 Atk, 1 Def
Absol: 2 Atk
Arbok: 2 Atk
Arcanine: 2 Atk
Ariados: 2 Atk
Armaldo: 2 Atk
Banette: 2 Atk
Bibarel: 2 Atk
Breloom: 2 Atk
Carnivine: 2 Atk
Crawdaunt: 2 Atk
Dodrio: 2 Atk
Dragonair: 2 Atk
Flareon: 2 Atk
Gabite: 2 Atk
Granbull: 2 Atk
Gyarados: 2 Atk
Heracross: 2 Atk
Hitmonlee: 2 Atk
Honchkrow: 2 Atk
Kabutops: 2 Atk
Kingler: 2 Atk
Kricketune: 2 Atk
Luxio: 2 Atk
Machoke: 2 Atk
Marshtomp: 2 Atk
Mightyena: 2 Atk
Nidorino: 2 Atk
Nuzleaf: 2 Atk
Pinsir: 2 Atk
Primeape: 2 Atk
Pupitar: 2 Atk
Rampardos: 2 Atk
Rhydon: 2 Atk
Scizor: 2 Atk
Seaking: 2 Atk
Sharpedo: 2 Atk
Solrock: 2 Atk
Toxicroak: 2 Atk
Ursaring: 2 Atk
Weepinbell: 2 Atk
Yanmega: 2 Atk
Zangoose: 2 Atk
Deoxys: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Flygon: 1 Atk, 2 Spe
Infernape: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Kingdra: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Mesprit: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Abomasnow: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Cacturne: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Camerupt: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Combusken: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Croconaw: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Donphan: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Grotle: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Huntail: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Lucario: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Mawile: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Mothim: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Muk: 1 HP, 1 Atk
Octillery: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Piloswine: 1 HP, 1 Atk
Sableye: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Seviper: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Tauros: 1 Atk, 1 Spe
Unown: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Vibrava: 1 Atk, 1 Spe
Weavile: 1 Atk, 1 Spe
Anorith: 1 Atk
Bagon: 1 Atk
Bellsprout: 1 Atk
Carvanha: 1 Atk
Chatot: 1 Atk
Corphish: 1 Atk
Cranidos: 1 Atk
Croagunk: 1 Atk
Doduo: 1 Atk
Dratini: 1 Atk
Ekans: 1 Atk
Farfetch'd: 1 Atk
Gible: 1 Atk
Goldeen: 1 Atk
Growlithe: 1 Atk
Krabby: 1 Atk
Larvitar: 1 Atk
Machop: 1 Atk
Mankey: 1 Atk
Mudkip: 1 Atk
Nidoran M: 1 Atk
Paras: 1 Atk
Poochyena: 1 Atk
Qwilfish: 1 Atk
Riolu: 1 Atk
Scyther: 1 Atk
Sentret: 1 Atk
Shinx: 1 Atk
Shuppet: 1 Atk
Snover: 1 Atk
Snubbull: 1 Atk
Spinarak: 1 Atk
Stantler: 1 Atk
Swinub: 1 Atk
Teddiursa: 1 Atk
Totodile: 1 Atk
Trapinch: 1 Atk
Turtwig: 1 Atk
Tyrogue: 1 Atk


Def
Aggron: 3 Def
Golem: 3 Def
Metagross: 3 Def
Poliwrath: 3 Def
Regirock: 3 Def
Registeel: 2 Def, 1 SpD
Uxie: 2 Def, 1 SpD
Bastiodon: 2 Def
Cascoon: 2 Def
Cloyster: 2 Def
Drapion: 2 Def
Forretress: 2 Def
Gliscor: 2 Def
Graveler: 2 Def
Hippowdon: 2 Def
Kakuna: 2 Def
Lairon: 2 Def
Leafeon: 2 Def
Magcargo: 2 Def
Marowak: 2 Def
Metang: 2 Def
Metapod: 2 Def
Miltank: 2 Def
Omastar: 2 Def
Pelipper: 2 Def
Sandslash: 2 Def
Shelgon: 2 Def
Silcoon: 2 Def
Skarmory: 2 Def
Slowbro: 2 Def
Steelix: 2 Def
Sudowoodo: 2 Def
Tangrowth: 2 Def
Torkoal: 2 Def
Weezing: 2 Def
Dusknoir: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Feraligatr: 2 Atk, 1 Def
Meganium: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Parasect: 2 Atk, 1 Def
Probopass: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Suicune: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Torterra: 2 Atk, 1 Def
Bayleef: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Bronzong: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Corsola: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Croconaw: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Donphan: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Dusclops: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Grotle: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Huntail: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Mawile: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Relicanth: 1 HP, 1 Def
Sableye: 1 Atk, 1 Def
Seadra: 1 Def, 1 SpA
Shuckle: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Spiritomb: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Vespiquen: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Wartortle: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Aron: 1 Def
Beldum: 1 Def
Bonsly: 1 Def
Bronzor: 1 Def
Clamperl: 1 Def
Cubone: 1 Def
Exeggcute: 1 Def
Geodude: 1 Def
Gligar: 1 Def
Hippopotas: 1 Def
Kabuto: 1 Def
Koffing: 1 Def
Kricketot: 1 Def
Nincada: 1 Def
Nosepass: 1 Def
Omanyte: 1 Def
Onix: 1 Def
Pineco: 1 Def
Rhyhorn: 1 Def
Sandshrew: 1 Def
Seedot: 1 Def
Shellder: 1 Def
Shieldon: 1 Def
Skorupi: 1 Def
Squirtle: 1 Def
Tangela: 1 Def


SpA
Alakazam: 3 SpA
Ampharos: 3 SpA
Beautifly: 3 SpA
Charizard: 3 SpA
Dialga: 3 SpA
Empoleon: 3 SpA
Gardevoir: 3 SpA
Gengar: 3 SpA
Heatran: 3 SpA
Kyogre: 3 SpA
Latios: 3 SpA
Magmortar: 3 SpA
Magnezone: 3 SpA
Mewtwo: 3 SpA
Moltres: 3 SpA
Palkia: 3 SpA
Porygon-Z: 3 SpA
Roserade: 3 SpA
Typhlosion: 3 SpA
Vileplume: 3 SpA
Zapdos: 3 SpA
Butterfree: 2 SpA, 1 SpD
Darkrai: 2 SpA, 1 Spe
Togekiss: 2 SpA, 1 SpD
Venusaur: 2 SpA, 1 SpD
Cherrim: 2 SpA
Espeon: 2 SpA
Exeggutor: 2 SpA
Flaaffy: 2 SpA
Girafarig: 2 SpA
Glaceon: 2 SpA
Gloom: 2 SpA
Golduck: 2 SpA
Gorebyss: 2 SpA
Haunter: 2 SpA
Houndoom: 2 SpA
Jynx: 2 SpA
Kadabra: 2 SpA
Kirlia: 2 SpA
Lunatone: 2 SpA
Magmar: 2 SpA
Magneton: 2 SpA
Porygon2: 2 SpA
Prinplup: 2 SpA
Roselia: 2 SpA
Sunflora: 2 SpA
Azelf: 2 Atk, 1 SpA
Deoxys: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Infernape: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Kingdra: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Mesprit: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Raikou: 1 SpA, 2 Spe
Rayquaza: 2 Atk, 1 SpA
Abomasnow: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Cacturne: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Camerupt: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Charmeleon: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Chimecho: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Combusken: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Ivysaur: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Lucario: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Masquerain: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Mismagius: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Monferno: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Mothim: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Octillery: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Quilava: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Rotom: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Seadra: 1 Def, 1 SpA
Seviper: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Unown: 1 Atk, 1 SpA
Venomoth: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Xatu: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Abra: 1 SpA
Budew: 1 SpA
Bulbasaur: 1 SpA
Cacnea: 1 SpA
Cherubi: 1 SpA
Chingling: 1 SpA
Gastly: 1 SpA
Horsea: 1 SpA
Houndour: 1 SpA
Magnemite: 1 SpA
Mareep: 1 SpA
Natu: 1 SpA
Numel: 1 SpA
Oddish: 1 SpA
Piplup: 1 SpA
Porygon: 1 SpA
Psyduck: 1 SpA
Ralts: 1 SpA
Remoraid: 1 SpA
Slugma: 1 SpA
Smoochum: 1 SpA
Spinda: 1 SpA
Sunkern: 1 SpA
Torchic: 1 SpA


SpD
Articuno: 3 SpD
Bellossom: 3 SpD
Blastoise: 3 SpD
Cresselia: 3 SpD
Dustox: 3 SpD
Ho-oh: 3 SpD
Latias: 3 SpD
Ludicolo: 3 SpD
Lugia: 3 SpD
Politoed: 3 SpD
Regice: 3 SpD
Slowking: 3 SpD
Dusknoir: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Meganium: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Probopass: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Suicune: 1 Def, 2 SpD
Altaria: 2 SpD
Claydol: 2 SpD
Cradily: 2 SpD
Dewgong: 2 SpD
Grumpig: 2 SpD
Hitmonchan: 2 SpD
Hitmontop: 2 SpD
Hypno: 2 SpD
Ledian: 2 SpD
Lombre: 2 SpD
Mantine: 2 SpD
Milotic: 2 SpD
Mr. Mime: 2 SpD
Tentacruel: 2 SpD
Togetic: 2 SpD
Umbreon: 2 SpD
Wormadam: 2 SpD
Beedrill: 2 Atk, 1 SpD
Butterfree: 2 SpA, 1 SpD
Kingdra: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Mesprit: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Registeel: 2 Def, 1 SpD
Togekiss: 2 SpA, 1 SpD
Uxie: 2 Def, 1 SpD
Venusaur: 2 SpA, 1 SpD
Bayleef: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Bronzong: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Chimecho: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Corsola: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Dusclops: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Ivysaur: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Masquerain: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Mismagius: 1 SpA, 1 SpD
Ninetales: 1 SpD, 1 Spe
Shuckle: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Spiritomb: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Vespiquen: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Wartortle: 1 Def, 1 SpD
Baltoy: 1 SpD
Burmy: 1 SpD
Chikorita: 1 SpD
Cleffa: 1 SpD
Drowzee: 1 SpD
Duskull: 1 SpD
Eevee: 1 SpD
Hoppip: 1 SpD
Kecleon: 1 SpD
Ledyba: 1 SpD
Lileep: 1 SpD
Lotad: 1 SpD
Mantyke: 1 SpD
Mime Jr.: 1 SpD
Misdreavus: 1 SpD
Seel: 1 SpD
Spoink: 1 SpD
Swablu: 1 SpD
Tentacool: 1 SpD
Togepi: 1 SpD
Venonat: 1 SpD


Spe
Crobat: 3 Spe
Jumpluff: 3 Spe
Pidgeot: 3 Spe
Raichu: 3 Spe
Sceptile: 3 Spe
Flygon: 1 Atk, 2 Spe
Raikou: 1 SpA, 2 Spe
Aerodactyl: 2 Spe
Ambipom: 2 Spe
Dugtrio: 2 Spe
Electabuzz: 2 Spe
Electrode: 2 Spe
Fearow: 2 Spe
Floatzel: 2 Spe
Froslass: 2 Spe
Furret: 2 Spe
Golbat: 2 Spe
Grovyle: 2 Spe
Jolteon: 2 Spe
Linoone: 2 Spe
Lopunny: 2 Spe
Lumineon: 2 Spe
Manectric: 2 Spe
Medicham: 2 Spe
Ninjask: 2 Spe
Persian: 2 Spe
Pidgeotto: 2 Spe
Pikachu: 2 Spe
Poliwhirl: 2 Spe
Purugly: 2 Spe
Rapidash: 2 Spe
Raticate: 2 Spe
Skiploom: 2 Spe
Staravia: 2 Spe
Starmie: 2 Spe
Swellow: 2 Spe
Vigoroth: 2 Spe
Darkrai: 2 SpA, 1 Spe
Deoxys: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Infernape: 1 Atk, 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Charmeleon: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Delcatty: 1 HP, 1 Spe
Monferno: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Ninetales: 1 SpD, 1 Spe
Quilava: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Rotom: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Tauros: 1 Atk, 1 Spe
Venomoth: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Vibrava: 1 Atk, 1 Spe
Weavile: 1 Atk, 1 Spe
Xatu: 1 SpA, 1 Spe
Aipom: 1 Spe
Buizel: 1 Spe
Buneary: 1 Spe
Charmander: 1 Spe
Chimchar: 1 Spe
Combee: 1 Spe
Cyndaquil: 1 Spe
Delibird: 1 Spe
Diglett: 1 Spe
Electrike: 1 Spe
Elekid: 1 Spe
Feebas: 1 Spe
Finneon: 1 Spe
Glameow: 1 Spe
Illumise: 1 Spe
Luvdisc: 1 Spe
Magby: 1 Spe
Magikarp: 1 Spe
Meditite: 1 Spe
Meowth: 1 Spe
Minun: 1 Spe
Murkrow: 1 Spe
Pachirisu: 1 Spe
Pichu: 1 Spe
Pidgey: 1 Spe
Plusle: 1 Spe
Poliwag: 1 Spe
Ponyta: 1 Spe
Rattata: 1 Spe
Skitty: 1 Spe
Smeargle: 1 Spe
Sneasel: 1 Spe
Spearow: 1 Spe
Starly: 1 Spe
Staryu: 1 Spe
Stunky: 1 Spe
Surskit: 1 Spe
Taillow: 1 Spe
Treecko: 1 Spe
Volbeat: 1 Spe
Voltorb: 1 Spe
Vulpix: 1 Spe
Weedle: 1 Spe
Wingull: 1 Spe
Yanma: 1 Spe
Zigzagoon: 1 Spe
Zubat: 1 Spe

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That's useful data. :)

The best way to arrange it, though, is not by alphabetical order or Pokemon number, but by the type of EVs awarded and (secondarily) the number of EVs awarded. Then you can compare a list of in-game Trainers and their Pokemon to the EV list, and know who to fight to get the right EVs.

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DarkAriados wrote:
That's useful data. :)

The best way to arrange it, though, is not by alphabetical order or Pokemon number, but by the type of EVs awarded and (secondarily) the number of EVs awarded. Then you can compare a list of in-game Trainers and their Pokemon to the EV list, and know who to fight to get the right EVs.

Good idea - list updated.

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There is a pond in the Resort Area where you only encounter Magikarp. Magikarp awards 1 speed EV. So it would take awhile but that is a place your sure to raise your speed EV.

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Thanks for the list, i didnt realize that the Psydex had an EV chart. oops. lol.

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