I was digging for shards to get the TM's from them (Red shards get Sunny Day, Blue gets Rainy Day, Green is Hail, and Yellow is Sandstorm) so anyway, I bought a ton of TM's to help me in contests, just see how they'll work, I tend to get about 500,000 yen at a time anyway so it's no big deal. I found all the stuff for Reflect and Light Screen, decided I'd use them for a friend in team battles, my point is, I need a pokemon that can learn those two moves and the 2 spikes moves, but I don't know where those spike moves are... if anyone can help me with any of this, please do.

**Main Points:**
~Where can I get the Spikes and Poison Spikes moves?
~What pokemon can learn Reflect, Light Screen, and sed spikes moves?
~Should I use one of my weather combonations instead or spikes?

**Latias and Dialga are out for me because they already know all eight HM's**

Should look around the site more, im sure you could have found answers on your own
~But to get spikes and toxic spikes you need to breed mostly
~http://www.psypokes.com/dex/search.php?type=moves
~Unless ur using for your Pokemon ability of the power up a move it's pointless....

Use the Url to look for pokemon with Spikes/Toxic Spikes also can use it to look for a pokemon that can learn the moves your looking for

Hey, thanks, I didn't know I could search for stuff! I'm still VERY new... sorry...

i dont think there is a pokemon that can learn both spikes and toxic spikes, but roselia(rade) can probably learn light screen and reflect and it learns toxic spikes

If you want to replace Toxic Spikes w/Stealth Rock you'll broaden your selection.

True but even with Reflect Roserade has abosulutely pitiful physical defences and would still get knocked out quickly by a Pokemon with a flying attack.

Yeah, actually there's a lot, I looked it up, although alf of the time, it's lying, it said Fearow(among others) can learn False Swipe when they can't

Cloyster learns both spikes and toxic spikes by leveling up;

Omastar can be bred both spikes moves AND learn stealth rock!!!

You can breed Poison Spikes onto Pineco, it learns Spikes naturally, and it learns Stealth Rock via TM. And i'm pretty sure Forretress learns Reflect and Light Screen.

whats the rarest tm in the game

I'm pretty sure they're all one per game, unless they're the ones you can buy or get as prizes in the game corner. Or trade shards for.

is there hyper beam in a tm?

yes there is a hyper beam