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Just a warning to AR users, it looks like Nintendo is going to start putting bans in place for users of the following codes:

National-Dex (After talking with Game Director)
Catching All 493 Pokemon
All Shiny

I'm not 100% sure who will be effected, and there doesn't seem to be any solid news as to how you'll know if you're banned or not. Apparently, this was already in place, but I'm behind the times by a few days in Pokémon news.

Of course, none of this is stated on any official Nintendo site that I can find, other than threads on the N-sider forums talking about it.

I, personally, am concerned about how this will affect people who get hacked pokémon in trades, unknown to them. I'm not sure if the codes will have to be active at the time you connect, or just at any one time. Does it affect all wifi activities or just GTS?

I know I've received hacked pokémon over the GTS. I release any pokémon that even looks suspicious. I'm worried because I wasn't able to connect to the GTS this morning, but I'm probably just being paranoid.

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http://www.dsfanboy.com/2007/06/15/poke ... ers-banned
http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=17715
http://www.wii60.com/502/nintendo-banning-ar-pokemon/
http://www.wii60.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14815

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I think those codes might leave a certain "tag" in your game data, which can be picked up and read by the DS. Basically, much like how a Mew is not considered tradeable in the Advanced games. A little peice of code to activate when a certain condition is met before other types of events are done. (Example: Having the National Dex before completing the Elite Four)

I'm not entirely sure on how Nintendo will deal with this (just guestimating on the flagged coding), but if your using those kind of cheats to "Enhance" your gameplay, you deserved to be banned. I can understand just getting the event legendaries, but making all your pokemon shiny? That just kills the value and actual fun of legitly getting shinies.


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Wow, that's great news. I'm sure they'll somehow add something that'll protect people who just happened to get hacked pokemon in trades. As for the people who actually use AR, I'd say they've had it coming for a long time and I'm glad Nintendo is on the ball with this one.


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Music Swashbuckler wrote:
(Example: Having the National Dex before completing the Elite Four)

Well except that you can get the national dex before beating the elite four :|

But I know what you mean, the game probably could detect specific cheats in other ways - e.g. if a particular RAM value is always set the same even when the game tells it not to be (i.e. how AR functions) then it could add a little flag, which while it may not affect you in-game, and wi-fi activities become banned.

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(Example: Having the National Dex before completing the Elite Four)

Well except that you can get the national dex before beating the elite four :|

But I know what you mean, the game probably could detect specific cheats in other ways - e.g. if a particular RAM value is always set the same even when the game tells it not to be (i.e. how AR functions) then it could add a little flag, which while it may not affect you in-game, and wi-fi activities become banned.


Well put. Also, I didn't know you could recieve the national dex before Elites. I suppose it's possible if you had someone trade you alot of the pokemon you meet before Victory road and the ones you see while battling the Elites.


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I do sort of agree with banning people for those reasons (seriously, all shiny?), but if they get to straight no-hacks, period, then that wouldn't be fair to the people who received hacks through trades (like me, I must've gone through ten Dialga before I got a legitimate one).

For your GTS problem, I've been kicked off / gotten communication errors / not able to connect even though I'm right next to the computer countless times, and I've still been able to get on after a few tries. It's probably nothing.

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I do think this is a great thing. I don't cheat, I'm only worried about pokémon I've received that are hacked, even though I don't keep them any longer than it takes for me to even think they may be hacked. I just hope this won't screw over the majority of people who don't hack, don't plan to, but have gotten hacked pokémon in trades.

I really want to go to a national tournament. I know when you place, they take your game for a bit and look over it to make sure everything is legit. I just want to keep my game as clean as possible.

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great, now i have no reason to buy AR. what a waste of my time.

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This is random, but will people who clone items or Pokemon in Emerald, then Pal Park them be affected? I don't want to get banned if I somehow convince my parents to get WiFi (which will never happen; the earth will explode if it does).

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The ban only affect cartridges that have been directly tampered with using cheat devices, not ones that contain illegitimate Pokemon/items.

Cloning probably doesn't affect the game's code, as it merely exploits a hole, it doesn't create one.

And personally I think that this is a brilliant move on Nintendo's part. Now they simply need to block Max IVs.

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Well, does this really mean that having a hacked pokemon will get you banned from Wifi? It looks like this set of rules will only affect people who have done the actual hacking will be affected by this. And I think that it will only affect people that have used certain codes, like making all your pokemon shiny.

Anyways, I beleive thaty Nintendo has every right to ban people from online play for hacking, its Nintendo's games, and Nintendo's internet service. They can set rules, and it isn't fair for hackers to have advantages over people who have enough time, dedication, and attention span to raise or find pokemon the right way.

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mudkipman wrote:
Well, does this really mean that having a hacked pokemon will get you banned from Wifi? It looks like this set of rules will only affect people who have done the actual hacking will be affected by this. And I think that it will only affect people that have used certain codes, like making all your pokemon shiny.

Yes, it only affects the users of the codes.

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Anyways, I beleive thaty Nintendo has every right to ban people from online play for hacking, its Nintendo's games, and Nintendo's internet service. They can set rules, and it isn't fair for hackers to have advantages over people who have enough time, dedication, and attention span to raise or find pokemon the right way.

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mudkipman wrote:
Anyways, I beleive thaty Nintendo has every right to ban people from online play for hacking, its Nintendo's games, and Nintendo's internet service. They can set rules, and it isn't fair for hackers to have advantages over people who have enough time, dedication, and attention span to raise or find pokemon the right way.


While that may be, there's a catch to that. Nintendo didn't specifically say that "all illegally modified pokemon are banned from online use." in it's orignal release date. And since we didn't sign any form or agreed to anything pertaining this, technically what their doing is wrong.

Maybe...Nintendo limiting AR users to staying offline with their pokemon is a way of banning their freedom of speech? Baiscally, Nintendo would be discriminating against cheaters, based solely on the products they purchaced for that purpose. I know if I were to buy a AR for the DS there's only one reason I'd use it (like someone else previously posted.) Is to use on pokemon. AR would lose a LOT of money if they were blocked out of pokemon use.

Before I drown us all in deep thought on a video game subject, I'm going to state one major fact: "Nintendo hates cheating devices." They want people to play their game and go advertise their merchandise (Via, New York Pokemon Events) to drill into the gamer's mind that if they want these uber rare pokemon, they HAVE to go to these events. And technically, if they're willing to travel that distance, they would also buy merchandise that they displayed at these events, being that they're held every once in a while.

AR breaks those limits, and provides people with an equal share to these rare pokemon. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept releasing patches well enough that basically any type of AR device is useless against their products.


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I think that using cheat devices to obtain rare Pokes is okay, but that they shouldn't be traded.

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looks like im done for, i got stuck on a part (i think it was the 7th gym) and i let my friend borrow it. next day i have a shiny arceus in my PC. i wonder if releasing it would work since then no harm would be done from it... cept for the dex data.

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looks like im done for, i got stuck on a part (i think it was the 7th gym) and i let my friend borrow it. next day i have a shiny arceus in my PC. i wonder if releasing it would work since then no harm would be done from it... cept for the dex data.


Well...I'll be willing to take it off your hands. :D

Just joking (somewhat). Personally, I'd keep a hold onto it. It may be hacked, but it's still alot better than what most have. Also, your not entirely sure your game data is damaged internally.


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Music Swashbuckler wrote:
While that may be, there's a catch to that. Nintendo didn't specifically say that "all illegally modified pokemon are banned from online use." in it's orignal release date. And since we didn't sign any form or agreed to anything pertaining this, technically what their doing is wrong.

Maybe...Nintendo limiting AR users to staying offline with their pokemon is a way of banning their freedom of speech? Baiscally, Nintendo would be discriminating against cheaters, based solely on the products they purchaced for that purpose. I know if I were to buy a AR for the DS there's only one reason I'd use it (like someone else previously posted.) Is to use on pokemon. AR would lose a LOT of money if they were blocked out of pokemon use.

Before I drown us all in deep thought on a video game subject, I'm going to state one major fact: "Nintendo hates cheating devices." They want people to play their game and go advertise their merchandise (Via, New York Pokemon Events) to drill into the gamer's mind that if they want these uber rare pokemon, they HAVE to go to these events. And technically, if they're willing to travel that distance, they would also buy merchandise that they displayed at these events, being that they're held every once in a while.

AR breaks those limits, and provides people with an equal share to these rare pokemon. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept releasing patches well enough that basically any type of AR device is useless against their products.


*claps* yay. I especially agree with the first paragraph. At least they could have made a disclaimer that addressed that BEFORE they released the game. I mean, the games have been out for years... it was OBVIOUS people were going to 'shark the crap out of D/P, especially before the event pokemon (like Arceus) weren't even available.

It's not like I blame them. AR'd Arceus doesn't rake in the cash for Nintendo. Events in NY that you have to give an arm and a leg to go to... cha-ching.

But I mean, what about Pokesav? That's infinitely cheaper than Action Replay. I wonder if there's a way to ban Pokesav users from Wi-Fi... O_o


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Music Swashbuckler wrote:

While that may be, there's a catch to that. Nintendo didn't specifically say that "all illegally modified pokemon are banned from online use." in it's orignal release date. And since we didn't sign any form or agreed to anything pertaining this, technically what their doing is wrong.


Wrong. If you've ever read the Terms of Agreement or EULA (which is the same for almost all games minus those created by Ubisoft) you agree, upon purchase, that you cannot modify or extract the contents of the game. In real legal terms, any use of AR is illegal and Nintendo could technically sue all of the AR users. While HIGHLY unlikely, that is the truth. Therefore, Nintendo could easily ban anything they want and even self destruct your cartridge if they felt like it.

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Music Swashbuckler wrote:
Maybe...Nintendo limiting AR users to staying offline with their pokemon is a way of banning their freedom of speech? Baiscally, Nintendo would be discriminating against cheaters, based solely on the products they purchaced for that purpose.


You're kidding, right? Nintendo can do whatever they like with the wifi service that they host. The fact that we never had to agree to terms of service doesn't mean that we're not bound to their will as the provider. Above all, the most important thing about this is that all Action Replay devices have a disclaimer that notifies the consumer of the potential risks of using the product. I don't think there's a single person out there who uses AR who isn't aware of the possible consequences for their actions.


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This is good I guess.....though I was kind of planning to get the event pokemon since....well.....there's no way I'd ever be able to go to an event.


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Everyone complaining about not being able to get event pokémon needs to chill.

First off, do you totally forget about the Wifi enabled Mystery Gift? No one knows what it's going to be used for yet, but I don't doubt pokémon will be sent. Give it some time, sheesh. The game has been out for three months. Of course there aren't any events yet.

Second, you can complete the game without getting event pokémon. You can max out the National Dex without ever seeing any of them and still get credit for it.

Third, the GTS exists for a reason. People will go to events and get event pokémon legitimately. Then they'll put them on the GTS for a trade. They may ask for something steep in return, but if you really want that pokémon, that's the point of the trade. The reason event pokémon are special is because not everyone has them. If everyone had them, no one would care they exist.

I'm glad Nintendo is doing this. I'm sorry this hasn't been happening from the start though, because some people may end up getting screwed over. However, Nintendo still has every right to do it.

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Music Swashbuckler wrote:
mudkipman wrote:
Anyways, I beleive thaty Nintendo has every right to ban people from online play for hacking, its Nintendo's games, and Nintendo's internet service. They can set rules, and it isn't fair for hackers to have advantages over people who have enough time, dedication, and attention span to raise or find pokemon the right way.


While that may be, there's a catch to that. Nintendo didn't specifically say that "all illegally modified pokemon are banned from online use." in it's orignal release date. And since we didn't sign any form or agreed to anything pertaining this, technically what their doing is wrong.

Maybe...Nintendo limiting AR users to staying offline with their pokemon is a way of banning their freedom of speech? Baiscally, Nintendo would be discriminating against cheaters, based solely on the products they purchaced for that purpose. I know if I were to buy a AR for the DS there's only one reason I'd use it (like someone else previously posted.) Is to use on pokemon. AR would lose a LOT of money if they were blocked out of pokemon use.

Before I drown us all in deep thought on a video game subject, I'm going to state one major fact: "Nintendo hates cheating devices." They want people to play their game and go advertise their merchandise (Via, New York Pokemon Events) to drill into the gamer's mind that if they want these uber rare pokemon, they HAVE to go to these events. And technically, if they're willing to travel that distance, they would also buy merchandise that they displayed at these events, being that they're held every once in a while.

AR breaks those limits, and provides people with an equal share to these rare pokemon. I wouldn't be surprised if they kept releasing patches well enough that basically any type of AR device is useless against their products.


And whats wrong with that? First of all Nintendo doesn't offer events to make all your Pokemon shiny and for them to have max stats. The whole point of Pokemon games is to train your Pokemon. As mudkipman said Nintendo have every right to prohibit people that aren't playing fair from using their services unfairly. Those limits are there for a reason. End of.


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I only use AR to have fun. Chances are that I wont be heading to an event, and I dont have Wifi right now, so I guess its okay just for me to use. This is a good thing to do though. There are some cheats that are just plain freakin cheap and should also be banned, like the Max IVs eamonn said.

Although, there are LOTS more codes that can be exploited.


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So then my friend that uses AR only to get rare candies and items like electrizers and such will be banned from wifi? cuz that would suck :cry:

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