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GethsmaneThunder wrote:
Poison types definitely got the raw end of the deal when the game got designed. It's a shame too because there is SO MUCH potential in the ranks it isn't funny...

Also re:whoever was talking about grass being weak to poison - Yeah, Grass is weak, but most Grassers can either learn EQ or are already half-Poison, which negates the weakness in the first place.

...but yeah. Poison is probably the most nerfed type in the game. End of story.


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^Earthquake.

I just realized that Rock types have 5 weaknesses: Water, Grass, Fighting, Steel, and Ground. A little unbalanced isnt it?


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Steel/Fighting is a bad elemented pokemon to have *looks directly at lucario in such a way that it can't be mistaken for looking at another pokemon* Steel/Fighting isn't the worst element (combination), but if you're doing competitive battling, it's a brilliant idea to have a pokemon that can beat lucario because so many people have them :evil: although most teams WILL already have a good move against them, because it's weaknesses are fairly common.

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I think that normals are okay (regigigas is da bomb!) but poison is my worst

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Poison and Fire

Poison is pathetically weak, and is only strong against Grass, but weak to commonly used attacks like Psychic, Meteor Mash, and Earthquake. The only good poison attacks are Toxic and Cross Poison.

Fire is bad, due to it's weakness to Surf, Earthquake, and Stone Edge, all of which are very popular. Other than Ninetales, Fire has no defensive Pokes at all.


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Kizeraa wrote:
Poison and Fire

Poison is pathetically weak, and is only strong against Grass, but weak to commonly used attacks like Psychic, Meteor Mash, and Earthquake. The only good poison attacks are Toxic and Cross Poison.

Fire is bad, due to it's weakness to Surf, Earthquake, and Stone Edge, all of which are very popular. Other than Ninetales, Fire has no defensive Pokes at all.
Hey there Sludge Bomb, Poison Jab, and Torkoal.


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Come on its Abomasnow it has the most horrible type ever its so weak!
Ice Grass ewwwww!

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poison-types are pretty bad, they're only supereffective against grass and they're weak against earthquake
grass pokemon generally seem to have low stats and they're easily subtituted with a more powerful water pokemon (they're super effective against almost all teh same things)
Rock pokemon (not rock moves) are pretty weak too cause they almost always have ground type making them super weak to water and ice as well as ground
I like fire pokemon but they're really undermined in the game, there's so few of them and so few fire moves and they often have poor type pairing the best type pairings are probably charizard and camerupt, but all the others aren't very good, they need to make a fire-dragon type, i wonder why they haven't

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First off, the people are are debating about Normal pokemon being best or worst need to stop, because that little debate was very empty.

If Poison types are bad, then Dragon types are just as bad. Yeah, I said it. Poison has 4 resistances (grass, fighting, poison, bug), right? Dragon also has 4 resisitances (fire, water, electric, grass), right? Okay, Poison has ONE SE (grass), right? and Dragon also has ONE SE (DRAGON), right? They both also have 2 weaknesses, with Ground and Psychic against poison, and Ice and Dragon against Dragon.

Pure grass types are already uncommon, and dragon types aren't too common either. Bet nobody had the guts to say that.

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i would need to agree with everyone that poison is the worst set of moves


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i think that pure rock pokemon are the worst even worse than poison. Ramparados may have awsome attack but water, grass, ground, fighting, and steel weaknesses really expose it to some heavy damage. a surf, force palm, meteor mash, god forbid EQ, mabey even a razor leaf can knock it out in one shot.

And normals may not be supereffective to anything but think about it this way they are only exposed to fighting. Most normals have great attack and can also learn psychic attack to cover their weakness. id like to see any other type cover all of their weaknesses with one move. i have 3 great normals that destroy any type for the most part. Exploud learned extrasensory through breeding with a vulpix and it knocks out any figting type, porygon z enihilates most fightings with just psybeam and my tauros learned zen headbutt and kills fighters like it was its job. Normals are really underestimated and very versitile as well.


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mattjackson wrote:
First off, the people are are debating about Normal pokemon being best or worst need to stop, because that little debate was very empty.

If Poison types are bad, then Dragon types are just as bad. Yeah, I said it. Poison has 4 resistances (grass, fighting, poison, bug), right? Dragon also has 4 resisitances (fire, water, electric, grass), right? Okay, Poison has ONE SE (grass), right? and Dragon also has ONE SE (DRAGON), right? They both also have 2 weaknesses, with Ground and Psychic against poison, and Ice and Dragon against Dragon.

Pure grass types are already uncommon, and dragon types aren't too common either. Bet nobody had the guts to say that.


Remember that Dragon moves, on average, are a lot stronger than poison. Also, Poisons weaknesses are more common than Dragons.

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Mudget wrote:
Remember that Dragon moves, on average, are a lot stronger than poison. Also, Poisons weaknesses are more common than Dragons.
Well, the two biggest poison types in my pinion are Drapion and Weezing.

Both have ways of covering for a weakness, kinda like a Kindra. Also ice and dragon attacks aen't That much more common than psycic and ground.

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FaceLess wrote:
Mudget wrote:
Remember that Dragon moves, on average, are a lot stronger than poison. Also, Poisons weaknesses are more common than Dragons.
Well, the two biggest poison types in my pinion are Drapion and Weezing.

Both have ways of covering for a weakness, kinda like a Kindra. Also ice and dragon attacks aen't That much more common than psycic and ground.

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And Gengar too. But I think it's a bit of a waste to put Sludge Bomb on Gengar. And about the entire Poison vs Dragon thing, I just guess I didnt think about it because a lot of Dragon Pokes are a hellua lot better than Poison types. I mean, Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp....and you could even say Rayquaza. I would just say its more favoritism. Maybe if there was a cool legendary Poison type then just maybe, Poison types would be favored a bit more.


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To the person who foolishly compared Poison to Dragon:

Well, first of all, look at the four types you listed for each type. Poison's resistances (Poison, Fighting, Bug and Grass) are all pretty rare moves in competitive battling other than Focus Punch, Grass Knot and Megahorning Heracross. Dragon resists Surf, Flamethrower/Fire Blast and Thunderbolt, which are all FAR more common than any of Poison's resistances.

Second of all, Dragon is better because nothing RESISTS Dragon except Steel. Rock, Ground, Poison and Ghost Pokemon all resist Poison attacks and Steel has complete immunity. Almost all Poison attacks also have the unfortunate side effect of inflicting poison (which is hands down the worst status effect in the game, as it prevent paralysis, sleep, burn or freeze, all four of which are better than poison), adding another strike against Poison.

And Dragon's one type advantage (itself) is much more useful than Poison's. Dragons commonly run all over the battlefield, but how often do you see a Grass Pokemon who ISN'T part Poison (or Torterra or Cradily) out there? Celebi and Sceptile are about the extent of that short list.


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Let me say my piece on this (and try to extend on Frost's above post):

Normal: Normal types aren't super effective against anything, but weak only to Fighting types. And because of that, Normal types tend to be underestimated. Snorlax and Porygon-Z are incredibly strong Pokemon, almost impossible to take down when EV trained (Snorlax more so), and look at them...they're both Normal types. All of Snorlax's stats are great (except Spd and SpAtk), and Porygon-Z's SpAtk is among the highest in the whole game. So if you say Normal types suck, get your eyes checked.

Poison: Pity there are so few good Poison types out there. Most Poison moves tend to inflict Poison status, and as Frost said the condition's not worth it...unless, of course, you use Toxic - that thing takes down even Milotic and Blissey. (However Frost, I do disagree about Sleep and Freeze being better...They both go away eventually, where all the rest do not. Ok, maybe Sleep is better, factoring in complete immobilization, but seriously it's very rare to get a Pokemon frozen.) The good Poison types I can think of off the top of my head are Crobat, Gengar, and Drapion. (I don't believe Skuntank is that good).

Dragon: Four resistances (Fire, Grass, Water, Electric) and only two weaknesses (Ice, and itself). Not to mention, most of them are great sweepers (Dragonite, Salamence, Garchomp). It's very rare to see a Dragon type move in competitive play (but with the addition of Dragon Pulse and Dragon Rush, and the strengthening of Outrage, that may change), so there's little worry there, especially if Kingdra or Palkia is used. The only thing that really screws Dragons is Ice (unless Kingdra or Palkia)...a possible 4x weakness to Ice is potentially dangerous. Not to mention, neither Dragonite, Salamence, nor Garchomp have great SpDef. Even if they have a +SpDef nature (like mine), Ice Beam is still most likely a OHKO for them.

Bug: Bug is not much to worry about...or should I say was. The only time you have to really worry about Bug types is Heracross or Vespiquen; and they both have great movesets. Not to mention, Heracross doubles as a Fighting type so Psychics, Darks, and Normals fall fairly quickly to him. He's pretty much the only good Bug type (that can be good and bad), but if he has both Megahorn and Close Combat, Dusknoir will wear him out pretty fast - and Dusknoir seems to appear a lot.

Well, my rant is over, for now. You can continue now.

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what is steel actually good against but my worst would be poison dont know why but steel is immune to it and it is only good against dark (i think) and grass.

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Dragon_Tamer wrote:
The worst type has to be the mixture of Flying/water. Electric is good against Water and flying so a fight between a lvl 60 {raikou} and a lvl 70 {pelipper} Raikou would win with on Volt Tackle.


except he cant get volt takle

the worst types are obvious

and water/flying isnt that bad

look at gyrados


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SorcererDNA wrote:
The only time you have to really worry about Bug types is Heracross or Vespiquen

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IL_PALAZZO wrote:
I'm looking for next gen for a normal/ghost with levitate... 4 immunities, 2 resistances, 1 weakness. :P
Well, ok that would be broken :roll:


Not really. Spiritomb isn't considered broken, and it has no weaknesses, 1 resistance and 3 immunities. (in before "LOL STUPID COMPARISON") I am, however, waiting to see a Normal/Ghost Pokemon. One can dream, right?

Anyway, Poison, while being a bad offensive type, is a decent defensive type. Steel is also a great defensive type, and Normal is pretty good (only one weakness, and an immunity) but neither are particularly good offensive types. Ice, on the other hand, is great for attacks, but terrible with resistances and weaknesses.

Overall, Poison is the most nerfed, which is a shame. It could do with being strong against Water, and maybe Bug as well. :\

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Offensively, I'd choose Steel or Poison, because Steel only hits two types hard, and those types are covered by fighting type moves, and there's Poison because it only hits GRASS type hard.

Defensively, I'd pick Bug, Grass or Flying. Bugs are weak to the ever-so-common Flamethrower/Stone Edge, and Air Slashes, Grass being weak to Flamethrower, Ice Beam, Megahorn/Bug Buzz, and there's Sludge Bomb and Air Slash. Oh, but the worst is Flying with a weakness to the BoltBeam combo and Stone Edges. Ouch.

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what is steel good against :?: :?: :?: :?:

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empoleon99 wrote:
what is steel good against :?: :?: :?: :?:


Steel is good against Rock and Ice types.

Personally Poison isn't the greatest type, aside from Toixc. They're weak to ground and psychic, commonly used types, and is only good against grass.

The Pokemon Spiritomb and Sableye seem to get to much credit for the no weakness thing. They may have no weaknesses basicly, but techicaly they do... Foresight + any Fighting Move= OK XD

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